Most gamers are aware of their 'addiction' and embellish it so long as it doesn't interfere with their daily lives. A good 'addictive' game model keeps players invested in a game without producing burnout or fatigue while allowing them to balance their daily lives - in my own life as long as I get the chores done and stay on top of work and classes the old lady doesn't care. Diablo III and Borderlands are excellent models of this type of addictive gameplay framework. There's always something new to do and some new piece of gear to chase, but I can put the game down after a session knowing I've accomplished something in it and I get enjoyment out of the ever-increasing valuable gear - or the increasingly cool gear appearance changes - I get in a relatively short amount of time. So why does Destiny generate so much anger, hostility and even outright hatred if it is similar to these kinds of games? The answer is that it isn't similar to these kinds of games; the aforementioned gear and activity chase can be called 'carrot-on-a-stick' appeal. Destiny's main problems lie in the fact that there is no carrot at a certain point. There is a wall, and after the wall the carrot, if you will, is gone, even as we keep searching for it. Vendor/faction gear is largely the same, save for a few instances. the levels reached by raid gear are only applicable to the raid. There are only a few Exotics worth having, and even if you want to collect them all there aren't very many. Beyond that, there is no customization - shaders are notoriously difficult to come by, whereas in other games the option to make your gear the color you want comes standard, and if it doesn't, the supplies needed to change the color are easy to come by. This is a genuinely frustrating experience. The psychologist that Bungie hired even wrote extensively on this topic. When the metaphorical pigeon doesn't get any more rewards, it takes to abusing nearby pigeons. This has happened with Bungie and their community: we're not being fed anymore carrots, and so we've taken to being toxic on the forums and a Bungie employee was even swatted. I've been following Destiny closely in the news and you can spot something interesting: over time, Bungie employees in the public light look increasingly haggard. This is not uncommon to see in Presidents: you can observe graying hair, stooped posture, wrinkles and other markers of stress on them as time goes by. So the psychologist was right and the community has taken to abusing what they register is the cause of their dismay. But all of this can be easily fixed. There are countless carrot-on-a-stick models for Bungie to choose from. They've been brought up a hundred times and I won't bring them up now. Answers were available from the very start of the game: players took to loot caves for a reason. It was indicative of the kind of 'addictive' gameplay framework they were expecting. If it isn't registering yet, I'm referring to horde/survival/firefight/zombies. But the mode isn't enough: there has to be a carrot. Bungie needs to figure out what that carrot is, and how many of them to feed to players. Gjallarhorn is not that carrot: I know because I have it. The initial rush of joy from getting it is intoxicating, but it wears off until it becomes just another weapon in your ridiculously small arsenal that everyone else has. This leads me to RNG. RNG itself is not the problem, the lack of rewards and variance from RNG is the problem. RNG is fine in a game like Diablo, where loot is dropped readily because there is a lot of it, but in a game like Destiny where gear and gear options are extremely limited it doesn't make sense. The drop rates either needs to be significantly increased or another system implemented altogether. Add to this the barriers to getting the carrot: the DLC introduced yet more currencies and system that erected an artificially inflated barrier between players and gear. So now not only are players still running on the treadmill to get more gear that isn't there, they have to run harder and faster for the same amount of reward in the first place, which was never much to begin with. Again, where loot is plentiful this isn't a problem. But again, in Destiny, loot is not plentiful. To call Destiny a loot-based game would be highly inaccurate. This all leads to my final point: Bungie has made a lot of trouble for themselves. Of course all of these problems could have been avoided in the beginning but they weren't and we have to get past that. But this is troublesome for Bungie because HoW was never intended to be a major content update (and it certainly isn't an expansion). If Bungie doesn't improve their 'addictive' gameplay framework they will continue to lose players and will continue to receive hostility from a disenfranchised community.

Ahh my bitter sweet Methstiny.

I was going to stop and play Type-0 and Bloodborne but yesterday I finally got 4th Horseman and the Crota raid helmet for the hunter... Now I need to level those up and then I can finally give Destiny a break.

This is one of the first games on console that has heavy grinding. Lots of the fps crowd came in not knowing how addictive suck a grind can be. Even if you don't enjoy the grind a lot of folks still feel the need to grind. Did you ever hear all the old stories of folks getting hooked on WOW that their lives fell apart? Same kinda grind. I had a buddy who was a chef in a 5 star restaurant that lost his job and his wife and kids cuz of playing WoW. I asked him what happened and he told me he hated the game but couldn't stop playing to the point where is wife told him she was cheating on him and he didn't even look away from the screen.

I'm not quitting. When the handsome collection is out il go and play it til house of wolves releases. Plus get some much needed playtime on the neglected gta v.

Bloodborne, no man's sky

It's necessary to state you're leaving and why. Bungie affiliates see it. Explaining why could help reshape the game to make a better one.

I'm definitely not quitting destiny however I have been playing crucible less and less.

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I think the point often overlooked is people did not expect to buy this game and have to stop playing for an extended amount of time to wait on new content. This has been one of my favorite games but at this point my playtime is falling off due to the lack of content, and I have accomplished nearly everything. Not saying I will quit but I will most likely stop playing until HoW, which was something I didn't think would happen when I first started playing.

The "I'm quitting Destiny posts" are the absolute shittest things on this forum. Thousands of people stop playing one game or another, for some reason or another, every single day. I have been gaming for 15 years and not once have felt the need to publicly announce my retirement from a game. It's attention seeking and pathetic.

I have everything I want in Destiny. I got my Hawkmoon and my hunter brutalized enough in the crucible with it. I have three level 32s all different classes. I stopped playing about 2 weeks now. Not because I don't like Destiny, but there is nothing more to do. I played more than 1000 hours across all four characters (I deleted one and remade it). When the DLC drops I'll play again for sure. But for the time, I'm really enjoying Advanced Warfare. Weapons are far more balanced than those in Destiny.

80% of my friends won't show up. Half of that 80% shows up during reset and that's it

Borderlands will keep me sane.

I still think the game has its moments but the content has become really stale for me. I've stopped playing save for a couple hours a week. I've also noticed the number of people on my friends list playing dropped down from 40+ a day to around 6 or 7 people. I'll play HOW when it comes out but the next content releases after that will have to be pretty impressive to get me to buy them. I got plenty of play time out of it though so I wouldn't say it wasn't worth the money.

You play the game because you want the best gear, all players are starting to get that now. Thats why people are leaving destiny