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Edited by BaghdadBean: 9/26/2016 4:23:53 PM
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Discrimination at its finest.

I was doing the new raid, and my team had gotten to the final boss part 2, ready to win this thing and get our sweet lewt. Well, that's what I had hoped. During conversation while building supers and such, the fact that I am a gay male came up. One of the guys in the raid goes "You're gay? Dude I don't wanna hear that." So clearly I got defensive. He was saying he did not want to hear any of my "gay shit" so I responded with saying I didn't want to listen to any of his straight shit and he went silent. His girlfriend was the fire team leader of the game, and clearly scared of him. But, she was trying to figure out why he was being so homophobic and awful to me when I had done nothing. Then, I'm kicked from the party after beating his point that every gay man wants to get with him. I told him to get over himself and just because I'm gay doesn't mean I want to -blam!- you. The girlfriend messages me she's sorry and she doesn't want to get on his bad side and said she "has" to kick me from the game. She had also, earlier at the Siege Tank, had to ask permission to do certain things like shower and even speak to this "man" that called himself her boyfriend. An abusive, homophobic, delusional male on Destiny that can't cope with the fact that some people are not exactly like him? Honestly I've never met someone who's done that before to me for that reason alone, that I'm gay. This community is toxic and is getting worse. Be safe out there guardians, cause obviously I have to keep my mouth shut about who I am to be able to play this game. ~Meta Edit 1: So apparently I'm in the wrong for being gay. I should just keep myself locked in a dark room with no food and water, right? No, if it comes up naturally in conversation, that's not my fault if someone reacts badly to it. It's the person reacting because their discriminating against something and someone that does not affect them in any way shape or form. This is not my fault for confirming to the team what was asked, there's was no need to lie or hide it. Edit 2: I am very appreciative towards everyone who is being sympathetic and empathetic towards me for this situation. Even from those who say they don't agree with being gay. I find it amazing how you guys are so much more accepting than someone I had been playing with for hours. And those who are saying to have kept my mouth shut about being gay, how bout you never say anything straight related again? Cause there might be someone that kicks you for it. That's how you guys sound. And it's ridiculous. Edit 3: those of you saying you've known people for years and that sexuality has never come up 1: you must not be so close to them and 2: just because it doesn't come up in your convos does not mean it doesn't come up on others. Edit 4: for those of you who would be willing to help me complete the last boss, I'm on Xbox one and my gamer tag is x9livesmeta ai, message me or add me Edit 5: most of you are asking how it comes up. We were building supers and talking about stuff not pertaining to the raid. The men in the group were talking about girls and girlfriends and they then ask me about my "girl" and I simply said, oh sorry, I like guys, no girlfriend here" and thus the situation in the post happened. It's not like we were playing and I just screamed I was gay. It was subtle and just telling the truth. Please remember to ask questions and read before you start hating [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been updated with tags that are more appropriate. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic, for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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  • F*ck him! Guy should be banned. Nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian or sexually attracted to Apache helicopters!

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    • Why would you tell a group of people that you do not know VERY well the fact that you're gay. You didnt' run into a discrimination problem. You ran into a **judgement*** and ***boundary*** problem. I'm African-American, and that's a question that I will not answer directly unless I know the people I'm playing with VERY well, and have some sense of how they'll react to it. Not because I'm in any way ashamed of who I am...but the fact that THAT part of my life is NONE OF THAT PERSON'S business. People that I'm playing with don't need to know what race I am, to enjoy my company and enjoy playing a game together. But If I let that person into that part of my lfie, and their racial prejudices start coming out....I would not have compounded the error by trying to get into argument and change his mind. Homophobia is a prejudice. Prejudices are not based on fact and are not held for rational reasons. So they are NOT amenable to fact based arguments. All you will do in trying to separate someone from their prejudices before they are ready to outgrow them....is simply make them angry and feel threatened. IOW---while it sucks that there are ignorant, frightened people in the world who cannot accept people who are different-----this problem didn't just "find" you. You met it halfway. Yes it sucks that part of the responsibilities that come with being part of a minority group is that you have to MANAGE other people's prejudices so that they have the least possible impact on you. Yes it isn't right. Yes it isn't fair. Yes, in a perfect world you shouldn't have to do that. But we don't live in a perfect world. So the question is, "Do you want to be right....or do you want to be happy." Because in the real world there are many situations where you can be one or the other....but not both. You ran into just one of those situations. You chose to be right...to fight a battle that didn't not NEED to be fought at the time, because you wanted to win it....and the outcome was an unhappy one. But you could have chosen to keep a group of strangers out of a personal part of your life that they had NOT demonstrated that they could handle the knowledge of in a responsible fashion....and happily completed the raid. One minority to another. You were given a life lesion here. A painful one....but a lesson. Don't let the anger and the hurt obscure that lesson, and how you can avoid a repeat of this incident with people who are---quite frankly---randoms. You mistook acquaintances for friends....and were rudely reminded of the very real difference between the two.

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      • How does that "come up"? "Captain down on right, void Servitor on right, I'm gay, solar servitor down"

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        • Edited by Swiftlock: 9/29/2016 12:16:55 AM
          I feel like there's more to the story than what your're telling us. From my experience, the person that tries to make themselves look the most innocent often bears a good chunk of the blame in stories like this, and that there was more cause behind the drama than making a low-key claim that you're gay. That, and maybe discussing your sexual preferences with complete strangers on the internet is not the hottest idea.

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        • She should surprise her so called boyfriend with a strap on and some lube and a blindfold for his birthday set him up by lying him down blindfolded thinking he'll get a massage then ..... Well you get the rest

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        • I've had the same thing happen to me. I've been kicked out of clans for who I was. Eventually though I found a group of people who accepted who I am. Trust me there are kind and understanding people on Destiny you just have to find them.

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        • Edited by Truthiness_Inc: 9/26/2016 8:06:41 AM
          Awwww nobody has any sympathy for the antagonizer trying to play victim? Welcome to real life. Nobody cares about your feelings. You brought it up you asked for it. Implying that the girlfriend that kicked you from the party for arguing with her boyfriend was "clearly afraid of him" is also a straw man meant to draw a caricature of a villian on him so we can see how bad he is and how him not wanting to hear about who you bang makes you the hero of the story overcoming adversity...as you smugly sprint to the forum for some good old shitposting.

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          • Sorry that happened you bro, if you still need to run the raid message me and il get my fireteam together.

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            How does being gay come up on a conversation like that? Can't help but feel your playing the victim here...

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          • Well welcome to the real world. It sucks when nobody gives a shit when you play victim right? I recommend stop playing victim.

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            • When the destiny community is more toxic that the presidential debate

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            • I can't understand how you are getting so much negative response to your story, nor can I understand the individuals who berated you in the first place. I play Destiny with other for the ease and excuse it offers to TALK and talk about anything. Of course other things come up. Significant others included. I am sorry anyone would judge you or discriminate, and that guy is an arse.

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            • Like all of us, I'm an amateur student of human nature, trying to uncover the secret to getting along with others that I don't have common ground with or instantly "like" just so I can get through life without too much hassle. Co-workers, clients, friends of friends, all those require effort and understanding to get along with sometimes. But one of the things I can never get my head all the way around, no matter how many different ways I approach it, is people's preoccupation with others' sexuality. If you don't intend to mate with them, then what the hell do you care what (or who) they like to do? What business is it of yours? I've been over it and over it and the only three reasons I can get to are: 1. They have a deep-seated fear of homosexuality because they feel like they are "at risk" for that sort of thing and can't come to terms with it (I think this is the overwhelming reason) 2. There are some differences in interests and demeanor among all kinds of people, but it can be pronounced between people of the same gender but with different sexual orientation. This can lead to uncomfortable misunderstandings and awkward conversations with little common ground (and this one is understandable, at least in part, but perhaps the most infrequent "reason" for people to care about another's sexuality) 3. Religious dogma and blind adherence to same. There's little to be done about this, and it's to all our detriment. Sure religion has benefited all our different cultures in very salient ways, and early in our species' rise it was probably important to make sure we kept breeding for survival purposes, but now that we know lightning is just an electrostatic discharge and not a bearded guy throwing bolts to earth and there is NO danger we are going to vanish then we should also know that judging others for stuff they do that doesn't hurt anyone else is just being small-minded. Anyway it's just another cross to bear; we all have 'em. Sorry you had a bad experience but try having MY cross to bear: you may be gay, but I bet you don't stink at Destiny as bad as I do and I think most fireteams would rather have Elton John melting fools than my "straight and manly" ass begging for yet another resurrection for the 5th time that encounter, haha. So there are worse liabilities than liking one's own parts, for SURE, haha. People should remember that.

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              • Dude if you need people to play with just message me I don't care that you like dick as long as you don't suck you're cool.

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              • I'm sorry that happened. As an openly bisexual Destiny player, I have never once experienced discrimination, and I know how lucky I am for that to be true. Remember there's nothing wrong with being gay or trans. That guy was an asshole, plain and simple. He is the bane of humanity. If you ever wanna talk about issues like this, hit me up in a PM or on PS4 (LiamCDM)

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              • You didn't have to say that you're gay. You could've just said you dont have a girl.

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              • [quote]The men in the group were talking about girls and girlfriends and they then ask me about my "girl" and I simply said, oh sorry, I like guys, no girlfriend here" and thus the situation in the post happened.[/quote] "I dont have a girlfriend" - you Problem solved Not a lie, right? he didnt ask orientation, just about your girl which you dont have. Lets just all keep our private lives private, how about that. You have learned a lesson on the internet P.s. - I dont care how you spend your private time btw. You like dudes, more power to you.

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                • I dug through the thread and found out what started the conversation as my first question was why would you bring it up anyway (not as in be quiet you gay guy but rather why is that even a topic in the raid). If what you say is true, you made an innocent enough comment that it sounds like that guy was stupid over. Sucks man. Just be like me, realize society is a pile of shit and pretty much all people are fake and not much is real. Makes it a lot easier to deal with fuq wits like that guy lol.

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                • And here we see a typical homophobe ruining the day for others. If i was in that party I would have left too. Dealing with that kind of idiot is not something I'm up for. Actually I probably would have left as soon as he started giving his girlfriend shit. If you're in a relationship with someone and you don't treat that person with respect (especially when you're in a situation where other, mostly strangers, can hear how you're treating that person) then you'll get no respect from me. My friends and I joke about your girlfriends/wives once in a while but we all do it jokingly. Failing to have respect for someone that you're with is not okay. And it won't be tolerated. That girl needs to remove herself from that situation because odds are good that dude is going to get more and more abusive because he can get away with it. Props to you for dealing with it in a mature way. That dude is a jackass for caring so much how someone else spends their private time. Who you love is not something that the rest of us should judge.

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                • So.....you spend a lot of time talking about your sexuality while gaming...?

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                • While its not right for them to discriminate against you, you are playing a video game online and talking to people who can say whatever they want without fear of repercussions. Its ridiculous and stupid but people are people and they'll say whatever they want. Just know what your getting into when your talking to random people cause not everyone is nice or respectful of however different someone else is.

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                  • Let me call 1800-DEAL-WITHIT

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                  • Sexual orientation never "just come up in natural conversation" with strangers. I know lots of people with different background, and as a teacher and soon middle aged, I really mean a lot of people. Your story doesn't have much credibility as it is now. I am sure there is more to it..

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                  • The Internet is a place of Freedom and Social Friendships. Racists aren't allowed on PSN and Xbox-Live. People which broke the Rules get Bans from the Server and to much Bans will them wipe their Profiles from the System. It is our Mission to "safe" this Social Place by doing to Report People like in the Description. Words has the most time the same effect then a Weapon. You can not stop to hear the Words like you can't stop a Bullet from a Hand Cannon. I hope the others take an Example from social People like me.

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                  • It's a video game. No one cares about your life. I have nothing against gay people. It's just in the world today people will find any reason to hate on someone. Keep your life and your views on life to yourself to prevent yourself from having to deal with those types of assholes.

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                  • It could be because you are gay, but it could also be because that guy is an asshole. Bungie has no control over who plays it's game. They're not going to ban him for what amounts to a he said/he said incident. It happens, block those players and move on.

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