Well, all i see in the posts now is how PVP people screw this game But all i see is crucible people getting more stressed every patch Bungie is not ruinning this game only for you pve people you know... No ones likes this updates We are a family, PVE+PVP Do you really thing pvp have something to do with the touch of malice nerf? Snipers flinch: ok Snipers damage? What??????????? Only some buffs/nerfs are really necessary Thorn double shot Fellwinters lie hand canon supremacy But bungie don't know how to balance Balance doesn't exist for them The word for them is NERF or BUFF only They never balance the game Every patch is a new meta We need to unite to try find solutions better than just splitting pve/pvp [spoiler]since bungie is unable to do that, or to find a solution by it's own[/spoiler]