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Edited by Mickey Joystiqs: 7/7/2016 4:55:44 PM
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Trials Of Osiris RUINED

Trials Of Osiris, was a place for teams to compete in elimination against other teams to try and get prizes and 9-0 cards. Where honestly people had a chance to win with a decent amount of skill. People would team up and work together and no quit. Now it's turned into nothing but Twitch streamers carrying, lack of SBMM or CBMM, and breeds an insurmountable amount of hate and hostility towards each other as players. The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. It's a consistent same "Sweaties/tryhards" who smash anyone in their path to make it to the lighthouse and then continue to do it for fun. You have people PAYING MONEY to get carried to the light house cause it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up. Year 2 trials is an absolute horrid monster and needs to be slain. Now with this Destiny Trials Reports people are being SHUNNED by others for ELO and stats, and you, Bungie!, who nerfed Gjallarhorn because you didn't like the divide in the community have SHOWCASED this cancer that destroys the community more than anything else you've done to the game has. Trials is no longer fun. It's no longer a challenge. It's a horrible slog that it near impossible to reach the end. SBMM/CBMM is non existent factor that should be implemented as players who have struggled to get where they are go against people who have a breeze to get to the same win and then the players who struggled are knocked back down to peg one to start over or get lagged out. Trials is no longer a friendly community rivalry game mode but a place where people can make money? It's corrupt and breeds hate amongst player base. The top stay at the top while the bottom cannot move up at all. Please fix trials. Go back to Year 1 or make a better formula. Trials is not where you want it to be, and you cannot let it get worse. Please fix Trials. EDIT: Wasn't aware that SBMM wasn't included in Trials. Which is kinda of dumb as again being a team who struggled to get to 5 wins playing against a team who had a breeze getting to 5 wins is still bad. EDIT 2: Not attacking streamers who stream the game, moreso streamers who get paid to carry/carry in general. You're ruining the game mode even more by carrying. EDIT 3: A bracketed rank would be more than ideal as that's how pretty much every other shooter does with their "competitive" game modes, thank you to people in the comments posting their ideas, I appreciate it a lot. And to the people who are against this, all I have to say is "why?" Why would you be against more players having a chance? What's wrong with that? If you're good now, that's not going to change. It'll still be "hard" as you claim it should be. It'll just be a more personalized challenged to you and your team. So why are you against it? You say you're amazing and that it's supposed to be hard and challenging and "not meant for everybody" but how is it hard when you face a lot of teams not even close to you? Scared that when push comes to shove you'll fold? Just wondering tbh... EDIT 4: Never said I personally could not make it to 5 wins. That was used as an example as to why the playing against someone with the same wins isn't as fair as you'd think. And by the way, artificial difficulty, isn't a challenege. It isn't competitive, it's something you're making up to be hard to justify it. Again there is NO reason you should be against changing trials for everyone. The game is 2 years old with the final expansion on its way. It's not a hardcore game in any sense of the word, just let everyone have a chance to get to the light house, and as someone commented below "the real scrubs will fail regardless". Also btw, saying that its supposed to be hard and not for everyone, but then saying carries are okay, should probably leave the post cause you're being very hypocritical. Also this "practice practice practice" mentality isn't always the answer. If you can't even have a chance to put what you've learned to the test and see where you went wrong, Again there is absolutely NO REASON for you to be against this. Even if you don't like SBMM then even CBMM would be better. EDIT 5: Forget to mention something. The current meta, i.e HROF Pulses or Autos/Snipers for the most part. Before in Trials, I could use almost any weapon I wanted to as long as it wasn't complete trash, Suros, Red Death, maybe an Invective for fun. Maybe a slow hand cannon with high impact, you get where I'm going with this. You could have weapon diversity and again, compete. You're competing with other people with YOUR personal favorite guns and set up. But now it's the same everywhere. The meta is also currently killing trials slowly, what happened to really testing your mettle with the weapons and set up you bonded with? Why does the new meta have to be the new meta. Is your chant of "git gud" also "get the same weapons everyone else is using" ? This isnt' going away for three days straight this post has gotten attention from a LOT of people. Keep replying for or against, whatever. This WILL get noticed by Bungie, and WE WILL as a COMMUNITY seek changes.

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  • I really loved trials in the HoW era of Destiny. Nowadays I feel it's not fun n frustrating to go flawless. It's not worth it for me anymore.

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  • When has trials been a good experience?

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    • Please keep bumping this. I know the -blam!- sticks at bungie dont care about the player base, but maybe some decision makers will finally see this shit and fire some people. Players want to have fun again.

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    • Trials should be locked if you get to the lighthouse that week, Or a second trials playlist opens when you get to the lighthouse where you can infinitely farm Elo. I've been ten times but it's just boring now with only a very few weapons used. It's all hard scoping or rushing shot guns. Primaries are way too weak now.

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    • While we're talking about trials here to the Titan who tried to shoulder charge me and only put me down to minimal health instead, next time make sure I don't have max armor on (;

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      • If you went flawless the week before you only play against other players who went flawless last week. If you did not go flawless last week, you play other players who did not as well. Once you hit the 9-0 on the card, it can not be erased and therefore you only play other players who have a 9-0 card, much like the scarab emblem.

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        • I've been summoned.

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          • Edited by deltacaboose7: 7/6/2016 2:45:53 AM
            What all of us remaining destiny players need to do is no matter the skill to drown out this disgusting practice is just flood trials that way there is a high enough population it will get better. Then bungie needs to explain this behavior of buying will not be tolerated and if you're caught you get banned. This could help solve it hopefully or maybe not. It's just an idea.

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          • Edited by skyblueoz: 7/5/2016 9:02:17 PM
            Simple solution. Normal trials with the same rewards, emblems etc. However once you've been flawless on a that character, they get promoted into an upper tier. For those in the basic tier, nothing changes, it's still just as easy/hard to get to the lighthouse. For the upper tier, you add new shaders/armour/guns/emblems. You could even make them exotics that can't be gained elsewhere. This stops the pay to win carries as you can't do basic tier more than 3 times. The upper tier also provides streamers with a chance to really show whose best and have more matches against better opposition and not just repetitively stomping on average players. Edit: nice to see people liking my idea! I know it's not perfect as the carriers can just not buy the boons. But I think that's quite a risk to miss out on completing the run without mercy as a safety net. Another option is to make the top tier rewards so tempting, that the carriers will prioritise that over the regular carries. Think doctrine 2.0. By making them grind for these God tier rewards, it may distract them from regular carries.

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            • There is nothing more rewarding than overcoming a tough opponent, the fact that you are match made against players at a similar stage in the card as you if possible, is quite reasonable. There is nothing Bungie could do to stop people forming fire teams and carrying people for money. Reverting back to the way trials was in year 1 would do absolutely nothing. You have probably just summarised Trials purely as a perception of the experience you may have had recently. Just go in there and have fun. The only thing that is wrong with Trials is the fact that people do take it far to seriously. Grab a few friends, give it a go and make some fun of it.

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              • So basically what you're saying is good people shouldn't be allowed to play trials, and people shouldn't be allowed to help other people through trials. Makes sense.

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              • Yeah, I went back to Uncharted multilayer, way more fun and fair...no streamers carrying people who can't hold their own. Trials as it is ruined destiny pvp for me. That and the LAG, my god the LAG

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              • There is nothing at the lighthouse. Same guns are obtained with bounties. Just act like 3 wins is the goal and you'll win every time.

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              • I agree re: bracketed ranking system. But I don't mind trials where it is now. The rewards really aren't anything special to be fair (armour sets look awesome though). The competitive guys need something to keep them entertained so I don't really see a problem with how it's setup at the moment. Until there's dedicated servers, a "competitive" mode needs to preference connection quality. Destinys slowly but surely building a suite of stuff to do no matter what you like playing. You can stuff around in patrol once a week if that's what you like doing and you can go play hyper competitive matches in trials of that's what you like doing. IB is in a good space now where it provides basically a handout of endgame quality year without an inordinate time investment + finding enough people to play with

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                • Edited by SackSolarium: 7/6/2016 12:49:47 AM
                  A bracketed playlist is dumb. It means if my friends are better than me I won't be able to play with them unless I want to get destroyed. Just try to have fun and don't take it so seriously! Losing is not the end of the world. Bungie has made it so that people who struggle to win can still complete the bounties and get good gear. The lighthouse shouldn't be a place that just everyone can get to. The whole idea of it is it's a competitive playlist, if you are good enough you get to go there. This world has become too much about awards for participation. You shouldn't get a gold star just because you showed up on the day!

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                  • Edited by Ankokuseibutsu: 7/5/2016 1:10:25 AM
                    Actually trials is meant to be a competitive playlist and not a handout. While it is more difficult in year 2, I've not had any problems going flawless consistently. If a person can carry the burden of a 1v3 for his teammates and in essence "carry them" to the lighthouse. That's their perogative and more power to someone at that skill bracket. Limiting someones ability to play the game because they are better than you is ridiculous. Why don't you just practice and get better at the game so when you do get to the lighthouse it feels that much more valued. People have too much of a sense of entitlement in today's culture. The meaning of the playlist is earning your flawless card. Granted sometimes your teammates back you up and sometimes you back them up. That's why it isn't a 1v1 playlist. If someone can consistently carry people of lower skill, that's pretty amazing. Not something to stifle or limit. People can learn alot from watching good players like that, that's why they stream. It's a win win for the community. Hate and restriction of skill doesn't help anything. If you lose, learn from your mistakes, adapt, and play better. It's that simple. Don't expect any hand outs. There is a reason my daily kd keeps increasing, it's because I learn from my mistakes and don't blame anyone but myself if I can't acheive victory. I also appreciate the content made by good players because it gives me new positions, and ways to engage that I hadn't thought of previously. Try and look at the good of the situation, not just how it limits you at this very moment. See the potential growth that can be had from it.

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                    • https://youtu.be/w9x-0jCe3wo

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                    • Actually, blah blah blah blah . Think about it..

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                    • I think what you're trying to say is that it's more competitive now than ever. Which is exactly how it should be. Now stfu and compete

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                    • Regardless of skill?

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                    • It should be easier for teams to win when somebody is carrying 😂 What? You want them to have a good 3rd player instead? 😂and dont hate on people who get paid to carry. Anybody can spend money on whatever they feel like. People spend money on gambling, drugs, alcohol, etc. Gaming just happens to be one of the many things people spend money on. No one should be judged :)

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                      • I totally agree with you. I've been playing Trials and it can be fun and competitive or it can be trash. Match making should be fixed. I've never been to lighthouse and barely can get 5 straight wins yet I'm placed with teams who have been there more than once. That's not fair, it sux getting stomped on and just posses u off and throws off ur whole game.

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                        • People say low amounts of people complete raids, this is true. HOWEVER, in the raid you are able to feel a sense of progression and you learn how each encounter works and you eventually roll with it. In ToO, there is absolutely no sense of progression, especially when I get jack shit from gold bounties, and when you finally waste that hour of your life to get to 8-0, it pits you against the sweatiest of sweaties.

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                        • I think after this post, and many others, Bungie will address this, but I don't think it will be the way we wanted.

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