So everyone you fight has unflinching?

No

Wow, you're bad at strafing from side to side.

Not sure if you realize but making it take longer to ADS will only increase the amount of hardscoping.

im reading this post and paughing so hard at all of the ideas. Just want to point out if you think snipers are OP then watch some sweats. So many ppl talk about pvp balance who barely even play pvp

There are great ideas in your post and i hope that some of them can take place in game. Personaly i think that the worst about sniping is close range snipe..its just ridiculous that we are able to headshot another player almost at melee range with a sniper. And this is also why 90% of pvp players main a sniper. We can close and long range 1 hit kill,ressnipe,shut down supers,etc,wich make it the most "complete" weapon in game. Cheers

This would also only effect them in pvp. Pve would be the same. Nice ideas

There's 3 types of special weapon (Ok 4 but Sidearms, really?) each a 1 hit kill.... Close Range - Shotguns Medium Range - Fusion Rifles Long Range (and actually Short Range as well if you're good with them) - Snipers No matter what you do, no matter what other Special weapons you add into Destiny 98% of people will choose the 1 hit kill weapons, purely because they want to win, because they want to kill the enemy before the enemy kills them. Shotguns promote rushing, Snipers promote camping. Fusions promote nothing because Snipers and Shotguns are just better at killing because they kill quicker (without charge times)

First off, in current Meta you really should not challenge a sniper rifle at medium to long range with anything but another sniper rifle. Flank around and close the distance. But to your point, Destiny pvp as a whole suffers from a discrepancy in pacing. On one hand everything that isnt your primary, a weak grenade, or your melee has potential to kill in one shot, making ttk mere milliseconds; and on the other hand, the developers want you to be able to react and have fair fights where you can understand whats happening and then counter it. The problem with this is that it cant be both, and until they decide on one (which will change the entire way the game plays, and they never will do that because theyd be scared to) its always going to be underwhelming to use primaries at all. They can either increase time to kill on everything else, or decrease time to kill on primaries making everything down you incredibly fast, and they arent going to do either because they dont know how, and I dont think anyone knows how. It wouldnt make sense for a sniper rifle to take more than one headshot to kill, but people complain that it does. If you changed it to 2 shots, no one would use them. Its an impossible paradox that everyone thinks they have a way to fix when no one really does. The option of making sniper rifles take more skill to use is the only fix to the problem, but then it offends casual players, and that is a huge fear for any game studio nowadays. Increasing skill gap in any way makes people that play and practice the game more often have a clear advantage over people that dont play very much. That should be a given, but game studios would rather make more money having it be easy to play than make a more rewarding experience over time. So basically this just means that Destiny's crucible is impossible to balance. Its purposefully unbalanced so that someone can pick up the game and immediantly have fun. They have the impossible task of making the game seem as balanced as possible, without it ever being balanced. So sniper rifles will probably never be changed, because if they are altered from their current state in any way, it offends casual Destiny players and hurts their flow of cash. And I dont mean that in a negative way necessarily, because the more money they make, the more (hopefully better) content we get.

really its not snipers thenselves its the fact that there aren't many good primaries that promote primary use

Of you are a Titan you could have gotten twilight garrison and you could just simply jump up once and double tap o on ps4 or whatever it is on xbox

If aim assist comes off any weapon type it comes off all nuff said...

I completely agree with you, scouts are meant to counter snipers and to be honest, they are very poor agains an average+ skilled sniping player who given the game mechanics you described, has a very descent amount of time to aim for your head (with plenty of aim assist) in order to easily being you down. The body shot low-stagger (probably even reduced after the proposed solution) , and the higher headshot stagger seems like an incredible idea.

Sniping is not easy. If anything you should be mad at us people running around shooting you that pulling out a hand cannon to finish you.

You got shot in the head by the iron banner scout yet man? If you're ADSing and get thumped in the head your screen has a mini seizure lol

Well said! Agree with you

Badger CCL on my Titan. Zen Moment High-caliber Rounds Outlaw Can counter some snipers.

You might notice no one complained about snipers in year one. There we had even less flinch. It's because back then primaries such as thorn and tlw could melt peo0pe trying to camp with snipers. I think we should make primaries stronger to achieve a similar effect without repeating the problems with the house of wolves meta.

I don't think descoping would be a good idea, but having head shots cause more flinch is a good idea. Damage falloff and gun impact should also affect flinch.