I'm glad division flopped. Everybody was making it out to be game of the -blam!-ing millennium. I'm so -blam!-ing glad it failed as bad as it did...

I got bored of division after i was pushing 330k dps, and 90k defense and still getting wrecked. So i came back to destiny. This game needs to work on some things though. Definitely not a fan of having to use this app to find peeps for nightfall, trials, or challenges. Everything needs a matchmaking

They had a great idea. Then made it grief land. Hate shooting stuff 100000000 times for it to die

He I not? Did I miss some bolded letters?

Wut is the division [spoiler]i want to get back into it but my friends won't do it[/spoiler]

Both games need loot midgets!

1. Those are numbers from Steam---the PC version of the game----and do not reflect what is going on on the console version of the game. 2. The PC version of the game was programmed by a different team at Massive, and has had more-and-differnet problems than the console versions of the game. The consoles have mainly had to deal with bugs/glitches/exploits. The PC version has had all of this...but had to deal with hackers and cheaters as well. So one can't assume that the same number of people have stopped playing the console version fothe game. 3. PC gamers have mentioned that these numbers are not realiable because the Steam system can't detect the diference between someone who has stopped playing the game...and someone who logs in once, and stays logged in. 4. The game is actually quite good...but has suffered from a HOST of bad game design (economy loot system) and business decisions by Massive and (presumably) Ubisoft. 5. As a player of both games. Trust me. Bungie made a LOT of the same mistakes with Desiny in ITS first year. The only reason why Bungie didn't have as bad a time early in the game was simple. a. The Vault of Glass was a better product than the incursions, so PVE players had a viable end game from the start. They are still trying to build one in The Division. b. Bungie's decision to BALANCE PvP (Rather than go with unbalanced PvP like Massive has) PREVENTED a lot of problems that could have resulted from people glitching and cheesing the first two raids. Although the Mythoclast was absurdly OP, it was a rare drop...and one that Bungie quickly moved to nerf. c. While Bungie can be slow to fix problems, it learns from them quickly. Prison of Elders during House of Wolves was EVERY bit as bad and unpopular as the two incursions have been for Massive and The Division. For basically the same reasons. Tediously difficult. Not fun. Lousy loot. d. Destiny has had a much less toxic community (probably due to the nature of the PvP play the game encourages----competitive/balanced versus unbalanced player-killing) . So often this game players help to keep problems in the game from spreading. Whereas you have whole YT channels that do nothing but traffic in the lasets glitch or exploit in The Divsision. Bungie took what it learned from those mistakes, and made The Taken King better. Time will tell if-and-how-quickly Massive learns from theirs.