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Edited by Echo Explicit: 4/2/2016 7:02:40 PM
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The real issue with Stormcaller

The most pressing issue with Stormcaller is not its length, not the amount of kills it can get, and not landfall. The real problem is the perk Electrostatic Mind. In PvE, this is an excellent idea for a perk, but it doesn't translate so well to PvP for balancing reasons. The perk reads: Stormtrance charges faster when allies are near. When Stormtrance is active, nearby enemies take damage. The obvious problem is the faster charge time. But how much of a reduction is given to your recharge rate? Keep in mind, these charge rates are assuming zero kills, which is very unlikely. With one ally nearby: 4:00>3:21 With two allies nearby: 4:00>2:21 With three allies nearby: 4:00>1:50 Source: [url=https://m.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/43p8cp/complete_guide_toall_numbers_behind_the/]link[/url] There is a very clear advantage to getting the first super in a match, being able to generate orbs for your teammates to get their supers and, in turn, have yours given to you again. Let's assume the Stormcaller is using Light Beyond Nemesis, which we can all agree is not uncommon. That means that in the best case scenario, they can generate a whopping 7 orbs for their team if they were to receive a 7th Column medal. Assuming a much less spectacular run, we'll say an average 3 kills, that's still 3 orbs, and often more than enough to fuel at least one teammate's super. Though there are other issues that are surely being looked at (the infamous Wombo Combo, shadestep glitch, firebolts w/Viking funeral), there is no argument that this is not one of the most broken aspects of the game in PvP right now. What do you guys think? Warlocks, before you call me a salty Hunter and blindly insult me, please take the time to read my logic.
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  • The only issue with Stormcaller is the same as MIDA; it's not overpowered, it's that everything else has been nerfed to hell.

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    • On a completely different note, if information like this was made available in game and we weren't just told "It's longer" or "do more damage" then waaay more people would actually make builds! A big problem with the game is the overpowered versus overused argument, and most things are simply overused to the point that weapon, armor, and even subclass variety is at a minumum. Reading this makes me want to go get some Intellect gear and Light Beyond Nemesis, for a crowd control/support build. Bungie pls!

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    • Edited by ungawd: 4/5/2016 3:34:18 PM
      Nothing is wrong with any class that makes any of them need a nerf. If anything they could all use a buff. This a is a PVE game, PVP is just a side dish.

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      • Edited by jedwards: 4/5/2016 1:35:25 PM
        Stormtrances maxes out at 5 orbs w/ light beyond nemisis.

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        • Yeah that titan smash doesn't hit you from a mile away

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        • But waddabout the [i]unlimited powaaaaaaaar!!!???[/i]

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        • -blam!- hunters. And -blam!- crybabies on this game.

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          • I'm just waiting for the days when you see full IB teams of stormcallers that just move as a pack for the first minute, then start popping supers 2 at a time.

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          • Huh I'll keep that in mind

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          • Edited by Glow: 4/4/2016 1:02:56 AM
            Am I the only one that consider Stormcaller being a weak subclass? 1 Easy to shut down super. 2 Not a single good grenade. 3 Bad mobility (off Ionic blink). 4 Landfall is very inconsistent. 5 The passive perks are quite redundant. The only thing that truly sticks out with this sub class is Thunder strike, which requires a charge. Along with the possability to get multikills using Trancendence in the 6v6 playlists. I really dont see why Bungie should touch this class.

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            • The real reason is that everything else was nerfed, so now it seems good.

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            • Edited by Dobbie: 4/4/2016 5:42:47 PM
              Warlock master race! Class has had no buffs. Been the same since day 1. Everyone should stop complaining about them.

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              • Dayum! Really? I never run electrostatic mind or whatever. But I'll have to try it out. Arc Web is just too good I've got 5 kills with a single grenade last week.

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              • Interesting.

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              • Started a match last night with a 5 man team. Random joined our team right before we started. Ended up being a warlock. Within 30 secs from start of the match he ended up popping stormtrance. We were all like wtf?

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                • Assuming those stats are true, seems like the real issue is a lack of teamwork and communication to shut down players with such stats. Supers are meant to be OP, just as tethers strip you of an active roaming super and hammers torch half the battlefield.

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                  • The only problem is that it lasts too long other than that it's just a ranged arc blade.

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                  • Idgaf #voidwalkermasterrace

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                  • That's not really any different than how fast FoH charges with a storm fist kill. It's transcendence man. Every time I jump over someone as they shoot me to bare minimum health, just to then die to my landfall while I now have full health.. I feel like a cheater. [spoiler]I still do it. Take what you can get.[/spoiler]

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                    • I never thought of that, though I think that the range is another issue. Personally, I still main Voidwalker for pvp. I just enjoy it to much

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                    • I'm done using stormcaller. I get 5 shoted by mida, 1 hit by hammers, smoked and nade spammed everything I cast the super. Switched back to nova been doing a lot better

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                      • I've said it before but only change I would like to see is landfall not being able to destroy a Ward of Dawn. Every other super is a trade-off and at least gives the chance to escape, but stormcaller can destroy WoD upon activation and kill the titan inside and continue roaming. Other than that one problem, I don't see any other changes needed to the subclass. (I main a defender titan but at the moment I've been trying to get the First Curse on my hunter.)

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                        • The issue is landfall shouldn't exist, it lasts too long, makes an annoying af noise and did I mention it lasts too long? Oh and it lasts too long.

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                        • Can Stormcaller lightning go through objects? I've been killed by that shit a couple times this week. Lightning out of nowhere.

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                          • Let list all the things that can kill a stormcaller, -Hammer of Sol -Sniper -Golden gun -nightstalker -Any medium to long range weapon -Well timed shotgun for a trade Notice how the previous run around super that was claimed "OP", hammer of sol, which had unlimited range, better splash damage and stronger health at the time get nerfed. It takes a few months before people complain about the next best thing. Some people are complaining about the Mida yet it's stayed the same since yr1...

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                            • Yes, let us forget the flaming instakill sniper rifle called golden gun.

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