So I've been noticing a lot of attention directed towards Sunsingers lately and as there always is in this community, lots of hate flying everywhere from everywhere. Let's talk about these Sunsingers. There is nothing INHERENTLY wrong with the subclass, unlike some classes (looking at you, pre-nerf Sunbreakers). All of the issues with the class stem from the Viking Touch Firebolt build, with bonus points if you use Voidfang as well. There are several concerns with this build so let's look at them point by point 1. They are too easy to hit people with. Seriously, the range on them is such that unless you have Blink or Shadestep, your best chance of avoiding them is pure luck. 2. They burn for far too long. Roughly estimating the firebolts burn for about 10 seconds, doing about 150 damage in that time. Most of that is in the initial impact, which means that you are immediately taken to around half health and kept from healing for 10 seconds after that. After those 10 seconds, you still have to wait for health regen to start, which is another few seconds. Then, after another 3 or 4 seconds, you can finally rest easy, back at full health. This leaves you extremely vulnerable for about 15 seconds from just one grenade! 3. High Discipline. If you have max recovery, you can recharge your grenades in under 30 seconds. It seems kind of ridiculous that during half of that recharge time, anyone you hit with your grenade will STILL be reeling from its effects. Now I know what many of you are thinking, [b]"Why are the Sunsingers only now being complained about? After all, Sunsingers haven't significantly changed in the last year or so, right?"[/b] While Sunsingers themselves haven't changed, almost every other part of Destiny has. We've suffered through the reign of Thorn and Last Word, cried out in horror at the sheer unfairness that was the godlike Sunbreakers, and had shotguns progressively nerfed into the ground. During all that time, the Viking Touch burn build was known about and considered a nuisance, but one heavily overshadowed by all of the aforementioned issues. Now that they have all been nerfed or balanced or tweaked or whatever, the nuisance that was the burn build has become one of the most problematic issues in PvP. If you think about it, this is actually a good thing. It means that Bungie is actually getting somewhere with their attempts at balancing, and I should note that practically any subtype of weapon is now at least somewhat viable in PvP right now. [b]So what should be done about these Sunsingers. Nerf 'em into the ground?[/b] No, not at all. At the most, this problem can be fixed by simply rearranging the perk tree so that Viking Funeral is in the same column as Touch of Flame. Nothing else needs to happen. Without Viking Funeral, Firebolt grenades are completely fine. And without Touch of Flame, Viking funeral can't be used with Firebolts at all. Oh, and for all of you guys who are thinking [b]"Stop all the nerfing guys, you're ruining the game for those of us who play PvE!"[/b] This change would not really affect PvE at all, since when was the last time you used this build for PvE? Fusion grenades or Solar grenades are almost always better for PvE than Firebolts are in my opinion. And on a more general note, remember back in HoW when Bungie buffed shotguns to amazing levels, but ONLY for PvE? Well, that goes to show that with a little effort, Bungie can seperate weapon balancing in PvP from those in PvE. Though admittedly that was just a simple hidden perk that only procced on minions of the darkness, so it wouldn't help any other stat changes... But with the current state of the meta right now, I'd say that any major changes to weapons would be unnecessary barring unforeseen circumstances. Hopefully this post has served to address the main concerns of those who do not want to see Sunsingers nerfed, in a less... hostile... manner than the simple "OMG Bungie plz nerf kthxbai" posts out there. tl;dr: Firebolts have too much range, and burn too long. Fixing this by putting Viking and Touch on the same column doesn't affect PvE because who uses firebolts in PvE? edit: typos bug me