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Evil is the Absence of Good

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I’ve heard this phrase a lot, but it makes no sense to me. Evil is a conscious act, is it not? If we are to accept the above definition, then anything that lacks goodness is evil. A rock certainly doesn’t contain “goodness,” so is a rock evil??
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  • In super hero stories, the super hero is always the "hero" because that's what the people think, and the villain is evil. But have you ever thought of this. The villain thinks the superheros evil and he/she is good? There is no such thing as Good vs Evil (unless the person is truly evil). Its all about perspectives.

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    • Edited by TheArtist: 4/16/2021 1:20:57 PM
      Actually, that-game-that-shall-not-be-named-here had a pretty good definition of evil in its lore: The Book of Sorrows. The Deep simply describes evil in terms of anti-social behavior. Or---an even better one from the late Scott Peck---evil is "malignant narcissism". IOW, Evil is a mindset that is utterly self-absorbed to the point where it cannot or will not consider the needs of others PLUS, it is willing (or even enjoys) exploiting or inflicting harm/suffering on others. Either to achieve a goal (treachery) or for the sheer enjoyment of it (sadism...."Master Bruce, some men just want to watch the world burn....." ) . That lack of empathy and lack of consideration for the good of others or the good of a group, imo, are the core of what constitutes human evil. But there has to be an edge of MALICE to in in its orientation to others (People suffering from autism can lack the ability to empathize. They are detached from others, but they do not seek to harm or exploit others....thus one cannot in good conscience consider them "evil".) From a psychiatric perspective its the[b] malignant narcissist. [/b] That person with elements of both anti-social personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. On the flip side, "good" is that ability to feel empathy for others, feel compassion for others....and a willingness to promote the greatest good for the most people, while still respecting individual autonomy. Good is much harder to define because it requires a strong sense of interpersonal boundaries...and in many cases is very situational. IOW, If I lie to you in order to get money from you to benefit myself...its an evil act. If I lie to you, in order to keep you away from someone you plan on murdering....its an act of good. If I lie to you in order to get food from you to give to someone who is starving....its morally grey. I'm doing something that is for the benefit of someone else, and is compassionante...but I'm violating your autonomy by tricking you out of something rather than giving you the freedom to decide if you wish to give or not. Plus definitions of these things change over time as societies and cultures evolve....there are some really good philosophy books on this, but I won't name them because it may be too close to religion for the mods.

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      • Morality is a construct made by those in power to keep people under their control. The people who preach the loudest about good and evil are always corrupt snakes just trying to elevate themselves further at the expense of others.

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        • Evil is imaginary.

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        • The context of the quote, I assume, refers to a being's will and the actions taken by that will. Under such context, your rock example is ridiculous. It may be best to use the term "righteousness" rather than "good" to prevent genuine confusion and facetious arguments. I initially wanted to disagree with the quote, but I can think of arguments that would lead me to agree. I suppose specific context is required since the statement is ambiguous, as you've pointed out. I pretty well define evil as the willful denial of righteousness. We then must define righteousness to know what is being denied... Feel free to message me if you'd like to discuss further. This is a discussion I cannot really continue with any sincerity without breaking the CoC. [spoiler]Moral relativism is a cheap cop-out by those adopting Crowley's motto, "Do what thou wilt."[/spoiler]

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          • Well, that is a bit of a weird definition (can’t say I’ve heard it often so that’s probably why it’s strange to me), but I’d say I agree with it. Good and evil are opposites; an action can’t be both at the same time. Someone might donate to charity so that they look good in front of other people or get something in return. Even though it is good that people will benefit from the donation, the motivation behind it is selfish, and we can agree that selfishness is evil. To the donor, people being benefited is just a side perk they probably could care less about. I’ve found that the worst evils are those in disguise as good works. It’s been repeated in history many, many times, even in our daily lives; a genuinely good thing—like donating to those in need—being exploited to deceive and selfishly receive. [spoiler]And... as for the rock thing, I believe this is fitting: [i]God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. [/i](Genesis 1:31, NASB) This includes the rocks :) [/spoiler]

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          • Ok lets take something that we all know A man cheating on his wife He has broken a promise between them Or how about a lie (Definition if a lie being something deceitful meant to harm) It hurts those who you tell it to Now lets take something that is seen as good A man giving to charity or to the poor out of free will Good and evil are hard to describe But they can be described as such Good is to lift others up and evil is to bring them down Why would a person drag them down? My only answer is pride

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          • To me "evil" is causing unecessary harm, like "torture for fun" where being "bad" is necessary harm, like you steal to survive or you need to torture for information that can be used for good. So for me an evil act might indeed be the lack of good in a situation, but also I don't rule out the possibility of someone who does evil things to be good for someone else, maybe a friend or a loyal lover who knows.

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            • Agree. But getting into it will give me a ban.

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            • Edited by Swiftlock: 4/16/2021 5:53:56 AM
              "Good" and "evil" are social constructs. You don't objectively "make sense" of good and evil. Your sense of morality is distilled into you by the environment you grew up in. They are what YOU perceive them to be. What you think is evil, another person could honestly believe to be good. Drop some truth on this lad, Voldy. - [quote]There is no good or evil. There is only power and those too weak to seek it.[/quote]

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              • Does the absence of good necessarily mean evil is in its place? Could someone lack both and just be apathetic to what happens one way or the other?

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              • [quote] A rock certainly doesn’t contain “goodness,” so is a rock evil??[/quote] It is inert and neither good nor evil. The statement only applies to people.

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                • Evil is the opposite of good, not the absence of it, but usually evil thrives in the absence of good.

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                • People of this world don’t know what’s evil or good or good or evil.

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                • Religion aside. Good and bad are terms we invented to define actions, me killing a dog might be seen as bad. Evil implies that there is a set scale of right or wrong, which there isn’t. The phrase “Evil is the absence of good” implies that there is no middle ground, or gradients, which isn’t true.

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                • Good is present within Evil. So it’s really hard to argue that it’s the absence of it.

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                  • Edited by Cultmeister: 4/16/2021 2:16:15 AM
                    Both good and evil are pretty arbitrary terms tbh. They don’t really mean much other than what the person using them thinks is right or wrong. When a volcano erupts and kills a bunch of animal and plant life, is that good or evil? When a star explodes, is that good or evil? When a cat chases and kills a moth, is that good or evil? None of these things involve humans, so why should they be governed by human concepts? Perhaps there are organisms involved in any of these situations who have certain rudimentary ‘concepts’ to do with pain and pleasure, but they’re not us, so we should not suppose to know what they ‘want’ from the situation or try to equate their feelings with ours.

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                    • I didn’t finish philosophy class to be dealt more philosophy. [spoiler]But my answer is no. A person might have good intentions, but be seen as bad by another person. Alternatively, everything is usually subjective, and thus what one might perceive as evil might be seen as good to another person. [/spoiler]

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                      • There is no good or bad. Only choices.

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                      • Evil is what you want it to be. A rock [i]could[/i] be evil. It’s been complicit in several murders, you know.

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                      • My argument would require me to use biblical sources, so if you want my reasoning, we have to use private messages. [spoiler]nibbles crayon[/spoiler]

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                        • Honestly the quote just sounds like some nerd got too caught up in the frequent association between light and good, so le stupid nerd brain thought “darkness->absence of light, light=good, darkness= bad, so bad -> absence of good 😳” when good and evil is pretty much just nuance [b]But hey that’s just a theory, a gAME THEORY! AAAAAND CUT[/b]

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                        • Evil is the deafness to good.

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