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The point of education is to provide knowledge, not affirm truth. The beauty of freedom is that each may make their own decision once they're exposed to knowledge. Thus, yes. Evolution should be taught in schools. But so should creationism and other relevant topics, each presented with the facts that support them. Force-feeding children everything as 'fact' is in fact a serious untruth. We don't honestly KNOW if Evolution (In it's current theoretical state) is 100% correct, nor can we prove or disprove that Creationism is correct. Eduction is learning to think for yourself. Being presented with facts and learning to make educated decisions of your own.
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  • [quote]Evolution should be taught in schools. But so should creationism and other relevant topics, each presented with the facts that support them.[/quote] There is no evidence for Young-Earth Creationism, so that point is moot.

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  • [quote]nor can we prove or disprove that Creationism is correct.[/quote] 1) Creationism isn't science, so there's no proof of its existence outside of the Bible, which is not a scientific document. 2) Creationism need not be disproved. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof lies with the claimant [in this case, people who believe in Creationism]

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  • All of the above I agree with. However, I do believe you make the assumption science and religion are mutually exclusive within the context of education. While I am always worried about the inclusion of religion in school, (I was against school prayer) I believe that the objective education of religion within school is very necessary to the development of children. What people believe is just as important as what Science provides as fact. (Which is in fact, all belief too, but that's a different topic :p) So within the specific context of a Biology classroom, Creationism (taken objectively as a theory) holds as much weight as Evolution (taken objectively as a theory) and therefore is a valid topic for presentation and discussion. And, if you wanted to get really specific, you could possibly include Reincarnation as a topic of discussion (Considering it's presented the recycling over conciousness/soul into different forms) But I digress.

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  • Creation is not a theory. It's an idea.

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  • [quote]So within the specific context of a Biology classroom, Creationism (taken objectively as a theory) holds as much weight as Evolution (taken objectively as a theory) and therefore is a valid topic for presentation and discussion.[/quote]The difference is that Creationism is a layman's theory, whereas Evolution is a scientific theory. They are not equals.

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  • :) I find it ironic that you use "Layman" within the context of a religious theory, given (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/layman) means "the opinion of one who is not a cleric". But that mild humor aside, I disagree with that opinion. Religious Doctrine is by no means invalidated because it is based on faith and interpretation. Scientific Doctrine often is much the same. Consider our universal constants a moment. 2+2=4. Why? Because we believe it does. Because within the structure of our quantification of the Universes Laws. It comes down to both Religion and Science are human methods by which to quantify our Universe. They are different in method and practice, but both effect the sum of knowledge available to us. And thus I think both are equally important in presentation in schools.

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  • But where is the testable, falsifiable proof behind Creationism? The beauty of science is that if you don't believe it, you can test it yourself. Such does hold true for religion. It all boils down to "because the holy book says so."

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  • Religion doesn't need proof, that's not it's point. Science quantifies by fact, test, and trial. Religion inspires through faith, belief, and provides behavioral structure through ritual. They're not mutually exclusive, simply different approaches to one's understanding and sense of self in the universe. To give perspective, I'm an agnostic. I don't believe in God or Religion. I don't really care. That's not what inspires me. But it DOES inspire some people and I can appreciate the beauty in that. And I believe recognizing what inspires you in the world is an important part of education. Being presented with what IS believed isn't a falsehood, even if said beliefs are reliant on faith more than facts.

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  • [quote]Religion doesn't need proof, that's not it's point[/quote]Well isn't that convenient... *eyeroll*

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  • [quote]Religion doesn't need proof, that's not it's point. Science quantifies by fact, test, and trial. Religion inspires through faith, belief, and provides behavioral structure through ritual. They're not mutually exclusive, simply different approaches to one's understanding and sense of self in the universe. To give perspective, I'm an agnostic. I don't believe in God or Religion. I don't really care. That's not what inspires me. But it DOES inspire some people and I can appreciate the beauty in that. And I believe recognizing what inspires you in the world is an important part of education. Being presented with what IS believed isn't a falsehood, even if said beliefs are reliant on faith more than facts.[/quote] Religion certainly needs proof if they want their God to be taken as a fact that he exists.

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  • I do believe that's a generalization of the entire Christian population. Fanatics are immensely annoying, as are bleeding hearts. But I've known enough to realize most are just people, like you or me. Very few demand you view and follow their God as the one and absolute truth. Those that do miss the point of Religion entirely.

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  • You are my hero. +10 internets for you.

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