[quote]Bungie, I appreciate everything you've done for this game. I appreciate that you play test your game. And you have free play testers right here. Cammy is just one example. He plays way too much Crucible and has way too keen a knowledge of this game to not have a valid opinion. And not just him. True Vanguard, Brose, Falloutplays, Cool guy, all of these people are free play testers. Listen to them. Thank you for making this game. Edit: I realize that a large percentage of you will only look at the title and thumbnail, maybe read a few sentences of what I said, and respond. I ask please to keep an open mind. And for us to have a civil discussion. That's the whole point of these forums. Civil discussion. We do not have to agree to do that. We don't need to use sarcasm to do that. We don't need to ascribe ill intentions of each other and others (streamers, Youtubers, etc) to do that. I appreciate everyone doing their best to do this. Edit edit: these are my personal thoughts down below. I'll try to keep it short. I made a forum with my personal thoughts called No Hate. Find them there too 1. Bloom, recoil, and basically everything that makes pc better than console. Luna and NF are not a problem there for those reasons. Fix those and you fix the problem. 2. Bigger maps. If you want to avoid the 2nd shottie meta that we are in, create more bigger maps. Something we've been asking for for some time now. I know me on particular because I like sniping. 3. Not Forgotten in my opinion is an exotic. It should be made into an exotic. Along with all the previous changes. 4. Fine tune the hand cannon sliding scale. 110s should basically be pockets snipers. That's an exaggeration to illustrate how much range they should have, and 180s should basically be a handcannons best impersonation of a sidearm. And everything in between should have it's own place. The bones and foundation for this are there, but fine tuning it would make it And also. The only pvp pinnacle weapon I own is the Redrix Broadsword. I've wanted the LH/NF since they came out, still don't have them. I love fighting and beating them, and I respect their place in the sandbox. But NF is an exotic. Make it an exotic. And make the console sandbox feel better overall Again, Bungie, thank you for making our game. Thank you those who comment for keeping it civil. Thank you for reading all the way down here.[/quote] Cammy is just butthurt he can't use a crutch weapon anymore that 2-3 shot instakills people in pvp

Who the hell is Cammy? Why should I listen to a Street Fighter character, thats silly.

You're preaching to a community who would prefer for you to wipe their asses for them instead of having to reach for the toilet paper themselves. People on here literally detest anything that involves brain function and will complain about being 3 tapped by a skilled player with a 5500 pinnacle weapon because it's a crutch meanwhile they run around under the pretense that shooting a jotun at a guy across the map and dealing 357 damage to the body from a tracking projectile is... *not a crutch and requires skill, the guy who wasn't aware of me even targeting him should clearly have jumped out the way*

Don't most of them play on pc? They wouldn't be very familiar with how the game works on console anymore if that's the case

Cammy is wrong.

Really? Your feedback is posting a video of someone elses ideas............ Not even going to say what those ideas are..... 👎 You sir get a F.

I respect Cammy's thoughts and opinions on Crucible. TrueVanguard is one of the absolute last people I would want having any say in how it functions. Most "top" PvP players don't know anything about what makes for a fun Crucible experience for everyone. All they want is a Crucible with massive skill gaps in play and matchmaking so they can farm average players for views. TV spent 7 months taking advantage of QP not factoring skill to go full bore vs lesser players so he could post 50-60 kill videos. Now that the population has dropped to next to nothing and all that's left are other die hard PvP players, he's been making posts -blam!- about his kd, -blam!- about losing and -blam!- about his opponents being "sweaty". These dudes turn to absolute hypocritical children the second the rules don't let them dominate. It's okay for regular players to win 3 out of 10 games, but the second it happens to them "OMG the game is broken!" Dude has no business having input on play.

No, dont! Streamers are a cancer in gaming.

Yes let’s listen to the streamers, cause they have done wonders to this game already.

Streamer crying at the first "community" summit led to Enhancement Cores in Infusion. Based on that gem of an idea, I sincerely hope Bungie doesn't listen to another streamer for the remaining life of the franchise.

who is cammy?

I honestly do like Cammy. He's a chill guy and I enjoy his commentaries. However, YTubers and Streamers do no wonders for Destiny 2 and they will continue to do so.

Here’s the only advice you need: The only godroll in any game is the roll that makes YOU comfortable with.

Cammy's crying got the Telesto nerfed, and I have a feeling that many people quit because that was the only counter at the time to Luna's/NF. The next thing bungo did was add The Last Word. This made it obvious that it was a counter to the meta, but it's not enough for console. Bungo needs to listen to the player base as a whole, and all the data they gather by monitoring what is used in PVP. A few streamers should not have more of a voice than the player base for one simple reason: the player base funds the game. Bungo would not be making change if they were not needed.

I have no idea what is the opinion behind that link but streamers have ruined games in the sake of their viewer / ad business, and are one reason I will likely not going to buy D3, as Bungie catered to streamers and their short sighted opinions instead of fixing things like enhancement cores or matchmaking.

Did you see cammys suggestions.I respect the man and understand he might be upset about having his time investment changed(and I hope those of you that feel cheated will accept that this will in long run make a better pvp)but he just screamed nerf everything else and only seems to care about what he is good with.Its like the mans allergic to Luna’s howl nerfs even though someone who plays PvP like him should see it’s cancer that’s restricting a highly diverse meta that could follow its nerf.I agree the nerf is harsh and here’s my suggestion that I have said many many times.Make magnificent howl kill clip that is not on a timer that does not run out until you get a kill with the perk active.You get a kill without howl,then you get a kill with howl,then you have to get another kill without howl to get mag howl back.The guns stay as 180s and perform almost as they do now with the exception of 3 tap potential at any time.

With all due respect, CammyCakes thought the vanilla D2's Crucible was the best version of this game's PVP. ....and the rest of the community HATED it. He may be a good voice for the things that YOU like in the game. Which is fine...and I respect his talent and ideas even though I dont' agree with them.... ...but the fact is that he only speaks for a small minority of very competitive minded players. Not the community as a whole...or even a majority of it. Same for Fallout. Of the people that you mentioned....that I'm familiar with....I think True Vanguard is the guy who can speak for high level players. But is still in touch with how the game is experienced by the average player....and tries to come up with ideas that work for both.

I can’t wait for Luna’s/NF to STILL dominate on console because they’ll continue to be the only precision HCs free from bloom/ghost bullets Edit service and trust are also precision