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Another Community Summit of Streamers

Incase you missed this nugget, there is apparently another community summit coming that of course is streamers/content creators only...... AGAIN....... Once again this proposed summit is to take place March 27-29. To discuss Season 7 and other future content.. Here is what I expect will be the first question the streamers/YouTubers will ask .... Future if Trials of The Nine/Osiris? Not the hot button topics that populate this feedback forum such as Enhancement Core/ Infusion System Issues, the latest NERF( UNCALLED FOR BTW) patch, the OP Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten, PvP steps in quest lines(cuz Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten dominant crucible), and my personal favorite RECYCLED CONTENT FROM D1.... I personally don't see a point to have a D3 or expansion beyond the season content. D2 has been a utter disappointment that just can't seem to get anything right. What say you community, is D2 dead or dying?

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  • Do bungie not know how to create surveys and send them out via email? Feels like it'd be a far better way to gather feedback from a much wider cross section of the community. EA sends out surveys for some of their games, i've filled them out for Battlefront, Anthem and Mass Effect before.

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    • Edited by The_Nystro: 3/14/2019 6:25:47 PM
      Who in the hell would you send to the summit then? Some random joe from these salt forums who’d probably just hold onto the info he hears? Point is, inviting streamers/Youtubers is more than just them representing the community. They can spread what they learn far easier than the rest of us can, and are far easier to decide on in regards to inviting to these summits because they already have a following.

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      • They want the streamers, because they can carry people and get paid. Then the carried people will play the game thinking they have a new toy to bring on the hurt. After the matchmaking we have "works as intended" they'll give the kids a little extra aim assist so they can win that nice little payout. After the carried kid wins that mini jackpot, they'll spend it on the evercurse store. Streamers get popularity, carried kids get the items they want and Bungie enjoys the extra cash. That is why Bungie 'listens' to us and Bungie [b]obeys[/b] the Streamers. Mind you we still do not get transparency because those at the summit are legally obligated to stay silent. With x steamers saying something that is vague but poetic like, " I have seen the path from the Devs and now I don't want to I unwalk of the sorrowful cliff of nothingful now" All so we can love a game, Bungie wants us to hate like my ex-girlfriend.

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        • I have no idea what part of the streamers don't represent the community they don't understand. The streamers have ruined the game or Bungie did by listening to them. They care about what is going to help them and help their pocket by prolonging things to help their channels. Yet again they play by far more than most of use can play and it causes the game to be FAR too grindy and repetitive for the majority or at least what I feel is the majority. I used to run all 3 characters though every week keeping them all up then everything started taking FAR too long to do became FAR too grindy and repetitive. I actually quit playing for a while then came back and have only played one character since. This is no longer a game it is a chore list and a job to get anything done that most of us don't get paid for but instead paid for. I really feel even the days of me playing only one character are numbered especially since for the most part I am the only person left out of my clan and they have all moved to other games.

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          • If it's true that they are doing another one, it's a bit hilarious that they still can't figure out their own game or make it work properly. They still have to bribe all the lifeless streamers to do it for them.

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          • Edited by Cinderchar: 3/15/2019 1:38:24 PM
            The funny thing is Bungie already knows what's wrong with their game and how to fix most of it. What the summit most likely will be is a strategy between Bungie and streamers of how to market the same kind of bullshit we will get next year but in a way that will entice people with mild addictions to buy into again. The mild addiction part does 90% of the heavy lifting though so it should be a short meeting.

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            • Unfortunetly I dont have much faith in this summit. It brought us some bad DLCs in the past. Streamers do this for a living, and dont represent all of us.

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              • They want more ways to funnel us in to pvp and gambit oh and another hand cannon

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              • The status (or lack thereof) of Trials of the Nine is a valid concern since its absence started when Forsaken dropped, and Bungie already addressed this in TWaB about two months ago saying they had an alternate 'Trials' in the works. Streamers want to have a high-tier content outlet to service there day-in and day-out 'job' to keep the views and subscriptions coming, Trials is a good outlet for that.... even though the Competitive playlist exists. I would prefer having the focus being on the future of Destiny 2 after the Annual Pass content has run its course this coming September and the direction they take with the game. Also, factions like New Monarchy, Dead Orbit and Future War Cult need to make a permanent return.

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              • These summits are part player feedback and part dog and pony show. The attendees will come back saying "We can't tell you what we talked about because of NDAs, but we can tell you that Bungie is listening and the new content is amazing!" This goes all the way back to the 2017 reveal of Destiny 2 and all those attendees telling us how good the game would be great. They didn't talk about how the dual primary weapon system was ass or how 4v4 only Crucible made every match a sweat fest. Bungie wants these influencers within their reality distortion field. They want them to serve as PR. The next summit won't be any different.

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                • Your focus is exactly why they dont invite normal people. You're worried about the wrong shit. Lol.

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                • There is just 3 things I want from this summit 1. Bring back Sunsinger 2. Nerf Hunters 3. Nerf Fusion Rifles Oh and if they nerf Luna/NF I'm going full -blam!- on their asses. 🙂

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                  • Of course, people would question Bungie about the future of Trials, it's the best way to make it possible to play the game without getting wrecked by Lunas and Not Forgottens every time you go into Crucible. As for the other topics, they will get to asking those, it's not like they want the game to be worse. The point of the summit is to give representatives of the community, often creators and streamers with a lot of viewers and supporters, to give suggestions on how to make the game better, and to discuss the future of the game. Forums are here for everyone to pitch in to give feedback, which we have done, and the summits are meant to be rarer events which a select few would be going to as representatives of the community.

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                  • The hive mind is strong and slow as ever on here.

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                  • Tbh the streamers I watch, datto, say no to rage and aztecross, all share my opinions and are very constructive delivering them. I shudder at the thought of picking a random forum dweller or blueberry to represent my thoughts and feelings in the game. Although I also consider myself inside the 'minority' of players that I see people complain about being catered to.

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                  • Edited by UnleashedArcher: 3/15/2019 11:35:45 AM
                    Yeah cause listening to the streamers has made Destiny 2 such an amazing game......

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                  • Well, I'm hoping Say No to Rage is invited. I agree with him on a lot of things in this game.

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                    • Edited by FrankTheAwesome: 3/14/2019 10:59:01 PM
                      I’m going to get burned by fanatics here but, What do you guys expect to hear from streamers? Playing is their business so their opinion will be based on that, more viewers basically, not to really improve the game. It’s useless for the majority of the community.

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                      • I deleted the game because of comp.

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                      • I'm pretty neutral on the subject, but I will state this irrefutable FACT: Any feedback and changes brought forth by streamers will be based exclusively on extending the life of their channels. A more streamlined, user-friendly approach is not in the best interest for the majority of them.

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                        • Edited by Nox Lumina: 3/15/2019 10:02:52 AM
                          I say you're an idiot for not thinking streamers are the best choice of people to invite. But sure, get one of the morons from the forums screeching about how hard it is to use fireteam finder or how much of a "problem" enhancement cores are.

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                          • Edited by Combo164: 3/15/2019 7:47:55 AM
                            [Community wall rant incoming. Find a comfy chair and get a nice cup of coffee because this is quite the wall.] These forums are just ridiculous. Complain and moan about streamers despite the solid fact that streamers indeed have their own fanbase and it's easier and logical to invite a select amount of people who have gathered info from their personal sub communities, a community that plays the same game just like the people on these forums, vs reaching out to random joe on the internet. To assume those part of said sub communities don't share the same plights as people on these forums and that streamers dont bring talking points based on feedback in their community is just being close-minded and it's akin to plugging your ears and saying I'm not listening. The forum then whines and moan their feedback isn't being heard. Dmg states they pull feedback from the bungie.net, Twitter and other forums no doubt reddit is included, even listed some of the hot topics in the community such as lunas/nf and enhancement cores. Still whines they arent listening or being heard, despite the obvious thing that just because dmg and cozmo relay feedback that doesn't mean things will definitely change. They aren't the devs of the game. Not everything will change because of community feedback, and some things will change despite the community not asking, such as weapon and class adjustments as internal data of what's popular exists. "But combo bungie should explain their reason for things!" Oh they have, saw a post about enhancement cores in which it was either dmg or cozmo that explained that cores have been as they have since bungie wants infusion to be meaningful. Guess what? That response was met with vile responses and insults. Heck any attempt at giving insight or simple things as saying they're passing info along or congratulating someone for completing the raid is usually met with childish behavior and insults. If bungie can expect responses such as these anytime they even interact with the forums, I'm not surprised they arent everywhere. And sure there are constructive posts out there, but its surrounded by a sea of negativity. Oh and bungie only listens to streamers? Yes of course. I mean only streamers complained about too many specials in the crucible in d1 and not enough primary fights, too many abilities being spammed, firebolt burning people out with no effort at all, tlw and thorn being an issue along with certain subclasses and other weapons, hard to acquire exotics, complained about the lack of ingame lore and a multitude of other issues. Then D2 rolls around and i guess only streamers complained about double primaries, complained about teamshooting, complained about the game not having longevity since exotics rained from the sky and there were no random rolls and it was easy to level up, complained about the lack of special weapons, lack of 6v6, lack of collections, nova warp being absurd, one eyed mask, wormhusk, abilities feeling weak, the list just goes on. I've been a heavy user of these forums since the launch of D1 and i have seen forum posts about all the topics i mentioned above from this same community that claims they arent being heard. And who'd of guessed it, a lot of the things i listed were addressed at one point or another. Heck the most recent example is the introduction of the power surge bounties to speed up leveling if people want to try newer content, this after the various forum complaints about the black armory level requirements. But despite that fact people come to the conclusion they aren't being heard? Just because bungie isnt bending over to every request? Do i think bungie should be more transparent? Of course, polls would be useful, more in depth details on why things are the way they, etc. But at the same time I'm not going to pretend to be blind, and be oblivious to the various changes they have introduced as a reflection of what the destiny community as a whole have requested. Doing abcde but not xyz isn't a valid reason to claim that bungie isn't listening to the community. Listening and hearing doesn't guarantee that wanted actions will be made. At the end of the day bungie is still the dev and creator of the game and they still have their vision on how they want their product to be. Yes I'm sure they have the records of how the game is performing. And lastly no, i wouldnt be upset if bungie decided next month that 100 cores can be purchased from spider for 100 legendaries, that exotics were raining from the sky, every weekly milestone would gurantee a drop 10 levels higher and functioned as a knockout system for your slots etc. I'd play, get the things i want and probably move to a different game afterwards if i became bored after acquiring what i wanted. Just wanted to voice my opinion. [End of rant thats been building up over 5 years now.]

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                          • You know they invited non streamers aswell?

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                          • Ohhh nooo streamer man bad reeeeeeee

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                          • I mean why does it matter as long as things get done

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                          • I’m glad I don’t visit this forum very often anymore. You do realize the reason D2 is in a great spot is because of the first 2 forums, right? Trials is probably the biggest thing pvp needs right now so by far it should be #1. I have 200 master cores, are you just mindlessly wasting yours without replenishing them? Pinnacle weapons are for those that want to play the game for more than an hour a week, it’s not like they’re must have weapons. The whining continues to blow my mind after all of the changes they’ve done to improve the game in the past year.

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