4 ammo aint much plus if you can actually aim with whisper, i dont think you need more than 9 shots.

Wardcliff now kills nokris with one rocket.

It's awesome they nerfed whisper. They should've nerfed it even more tbh. Ever since that gun came out, it's pretty much the only exotic you're allowed to use for raids and turns every boss into cheese. That gun makes this game way too easy and no one seems to care since this community loves doing the same thing using the same guns over and over again.

Why the Whisper nerd wtf man no fun jokers wild ia a joke alright

BUNGIE EASE STOP NERFI NG YOUR GAME!!! YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE. YES I AM YELLING. I quote Bungie here " We want Gardians to feel powerful again" How the heck is nerfing powerful gear making us feel powerful? Nerfing destroyed ALL the good gear in D1, please stop making the same mistakes

Whisper 9 bullets??? Sleeper 9 Bullets??? Not only they make you grind to get really good and powerful weapons, but bungie decides to -blam!- us waste of my -blam!-ing time bungie. Useless -blam!-ing weapons. Never playing this bullshit game again. Way to -blam!-ing go bungie.

[quote]21% damage nerf to Machine Guns[/quote] Against boss and miniboss combatants, yeah. Misleading post. They’ll be just as good for add clearing, which is generally what they excelled at the most. Also I guess we’re pretending that shotguns, trace rifles, grenade launchers, rocket launchers, linear fusions, 1k voices, two-tailed fox, black talon, wardcliff coil, khepri’s horn, vesper of radius, and sealed ahamkara grasps don’t exist. Not saying that nerfs are a good thing, but they did buff considerably more than they nerfed.

(Everything below this is what I first said. After reevaluating the patch notes. I have come to this conclusion. The only thing I can see as a you problem is the ammo decrease for whisper,sleeper and the titan nerf which is till may have been warranted if it's the same tree I'm thinking of. The MG damage nerf was to yellow bar enemies which is countered by boss specs and major specs mods. Basically any boss enemies and there (LT) or lieutenants don't take as much damage as they once would. I have a boss specs on my MGs anyways so I see no difference in damage output. Stop complaining. Also is still say stop complaining because sleeper and whisper were only used in raids and strikes for boss encounters an were never used for anything else. If you can't take them now with what ammo is given then stop using them for one phases and come up with a new strategy. Because I for one am sick and tired of using those two as heavy weapons when dealing with certain raid encounters and would like to use something else. I understand one phasing is the quickest way to finish raids but it's should not be a must have weapon to join anyone to play any raid in the first place.) Here's my question where is the information coming from specifically or is it being made up on the spot by some youtuber or streamer. Also no I haven't played with the whisper yet because sniping was never really my thing when snipers were taken out of the heavy slot. No whisper is not an exception to the rule so don't go there with saying whisper is still in the heavy slot. I miss my alone as a god sniper in the heavy slot when I could pair it with weapons that had ammo. Also i haven't played with sleeper because I very much dislike sleeper because it's really only useable for strike bosses and raids unless your just wanting to play a round with it in a free roam. An wasn't juggernaut the one that was buffed to create another super for an already powerful class that lasted longer than it should have. So the nerf was quite in good taste then or am I think of the other skill tree. But someone link me where this information is coming from besides saying play the game you will find out. Because my play style is probably different from yours and I don't use weapon that I see as crutches or only have one special situational use for.

- Everyone and their mother was running around with Hammerhead/Thunderlord because it was so -blam!-ing good. Best at add clear, best at boss DPS - 20 reserve ammo on Whisper was -blam!-ing insane OP. Its still going to be the go-to weapon for most high end PVE, the difference is that now you actually have to make your shots count - Who cares about Sleeper, and 4 less ammo wont ruin it - Juggernaut was broken and this is coming from a Titan main. For example in Gambit you could take out and entire spawn and if you were lucky/quick you could start the dance again on the next spawn and chain it together. On the Whisper mission you could clear the ENTIRE add section from the jumping puzzle to the boss and its the same for many strikes and missions. Plenty of stuff got buffed, but i guess people want a stale meta where everyone is facerolling content with the same 2-3 OP weapons in every slot And i am not some Bungie fanboy. There is plenty to criticize them for, but attempting to diversify and balance the gear is not one of them. For example - Crucible has not gotten any meaningful updates in ages. How about a new mode? A new map maybe? - Strikes are still utterly pointless outside of weekly engrams. - Dreaming City is still boring as shit

21% damage nerf to Machine Guns -- By far the best power weapon, and even post nerf they still shred. Nerf justified. HUGE ammo nerf to Whisper , from 20 to 9 -- Cozmo was right sayng l2aim. Seriously, if you can't get 3 consecutive headshots out of 9 tries, you suck. If you aren't getting consecutive headshots this weapon is a wasted power slot anyways. Nerf justified/nonissue. HUGE ammo nerf to Sleeper , from 13 to 9 -- You can't stockpile power ammo and just 100-0 a boss in 2 seconds emptying everything in that one fight. Boohoo, l2p. Nerf justified. Code of Juggernaut super NERF -- You could solo through insane amounts of content and run a single super for minutes at a time. You still get something like 15 kills before diminishing returns on the energy refund. Boohoo, l2p. Nerf justified. Great patch Bungie!

My god this place has turned into a cesspool. FFS it’s just a game, a lot of the responses here are just straight up childish. If you guys hate the game so much just -blam!-ing move on. You don’t keep stabbing yourself & complain about it hurting. At least be consistent with your criticism, don’t complain about Bungie & then praise [b]EA[/b] the literal devil of gaming. At least Offtopic is a decent place most of the time. Keep doing the same thing over & over expecting different results. I’m out.

Go play anthem...then come back here an complain.

The Big Picture here... think about these weapons, what they do. (Including Machine guns with their perks - looking at you Thunderlord) 1) - we are getting a PVE Mob mode called Reckoning. 2) - all these weapons are BOSS Melting weapons. 3) - they want you to keep grinding reckoning, by making the game mode hard for their new Unique rewards that tie into whatever this season is all about. In order to do this, they break it up in 3 levels and Nerf a super that can last infinitely & Nerf the power weapons that are used most frequently. 4) - I am Surprised that they haven't Nerfed Melting Point so it a Third of the Buff, Nightstalker, generates half the orbs with Orpheus rig, and that Nova Warp will basically become useless in all content. 5) - I shouldn't have said that - Fun Police might be watching. (now they will Nerf everything) 6) - lol warlocks I know this is already a thing. They Give the PVP used Power weapon, a PVE Damage boost of 115% so you will most likely end up using that. - they are deliberately making their content "Hard", and "Challenging" for whatever reason they have to justify their actions, most likely that we will be "Grinding" for that Unique armor piece so we can play in one sweaty game mode of gambit. Season of the Drifter everyone.

Can’t wait for the incoming thorn nerf.

How does this have 200+ upvotes? Just as much, probably more was buffed. Are people really shitting themselves over what they can do in pve?