Well put actually. When you really break it down, Bungie are the only ones who don't have a reason. They just need to make one. That's what you do as a game developer. So they need to do their job and make reasons. The story as a whole has been reworked and recreated in such a small amount of time, that the current story has holes. Start filling those holes. You (Bungie) can do it.

I agree. Actually I've been agreeing for some time. We've been asking for all of this and a new update drops and we get something no one asked for... Wait for it... [spoiler] Prison of Elders [/spoiler] Screw doing something fun when I can sweat through 5 rounds of Zzzzz Zzz... Wha!? I should not be able to solo PoE Challenge Mode but I do. A little hint this week... use... [spoiler]no time to explain why I don't have time to explain to use No Time to Explain, guess I had time to explain[/spoiler]

Bump. Great post! What's amazing is the fact that the community cares more about the game than Bungie. This game is so broken, and so is Bungie.

[quote]Like, and bump if you agree. I'd like this to get noticed because Bungie's reasoning is ridiculous. So the argument for not bringing back the Old raids and sparrow racing according to Bungie was something along the lines of "We want it to make sense with the story of Destiny." So I have quite a few counterarguments for that. [b]1. Sparrow Racing never made sense to begin with. [/b] It was amazing fun, and in my opinion the most balanced thing in the game. However, it had no bearing on TTK at all. So why not just MAKE a reason for it to exist permanently? Who says that it can't just be a way for guardians to wind down and stop killing each other every now and then? Maybe an actual SRL tourney could be held every few months to celebrate the defeat of Oryx, or whatever other raid boss the game wants us to kill. It'd be so easy to just say something like "Guardians are given basic sparrows as a means of transportation. Those who wish to gain the best sparrows must prove themselves on the track." [b]2. The Vault of Glass wasn't a part of the story until House of Wolves[/b] This raid came out in the beginning of the game's life. The only relevance it had with the main story was that it was Vex related. Destiny has had the story reordered once already. It wouldn't hurt to do a bit more and provide a little backstory to the vault with a few side missions leading up to it. Give us like 2 or 3 small missions or even a strike that gives us a reason to know of the Vault's existence. Then just throw on a 300 light version so that we can get "Ascendant" VoG gear on the same level as King's Fall. This would also bring back the Vex Mythoclast, which has been affected by so many fusion rifle nerfs and buffs that it probably wouldn't make a dent in the PvP meta. I could see it getting reworked for year 3. [b]3. Crota's End is so underplayed that most year 2 players don't even know who Oryx's son was.[/b] We've got this backstory about TTK. We know we killed his son and that he's out for vengeance. Yet, you can ask most of the players around who Crota is or how you fight him and no one knows. There's no reason for them to know, because he's not relevant to the game anymore even though the story says otherwise. Add a 300 light version and let us get "Radiant" CE gear on the same level as King's Fall. This would also bring back the Necrochasm which was complained about for underperforming. Yet when Bungie buffed it, they then left it in year 1 not even a month later. [b]4. Old Weapons were brought back with the April Update[/b] This had nothing to do with story. It was just a random "poof" you got some of your old weapons back. And you can only get them from Vanguard or Crucible. Why? How about we work on something significantly cooler and more intuitive and rewarding? Upon leveling up a faction, you get either a Primary, Secondary, or Heavy Voucher. You can use that voucher to purchase any class item or weapon of the category from the vendor. (Dead Orbit would have Exodus Plan, Deviant Gravity, etc for heavy.) Having this system wouldn't be something players could abuse for perfect weapons like Rerolling, but it would still always give you that chance of your perfect weapon or that elusive piece of gear that you could never get your hands on. It would also seem as if the Faction leaders care about your guardian and cater to your playstyle. No one wants a random gift, after all. People would play more and grind more levels, because having a setup that you love seeing and using is always more fun, and there's nothing wrong with working for it so long as it's actually attainable. [b]5. Trials of Osiris has no meaning in the story either[/b] So why do the other crucible modes need to be "relevant" to the game? If guardians are as human as they seem, it would only make sense that they want to relax sometimes. Whether that be through training or racing, who cares? Maybe the citizens of the tower like watching the races... [b]6. What's the point in having days of dead content?[/b] This is my biggest argument. I just can't see a point in having unusable weapons and gear. Let us customize. Let us personify. Don't stifle our creativity by saying "Oh, this gun doesn't work anymore because it's a new year." If you want to make our guns ineffective, how about you bring some logic for that? Why does Icebreaker kill Crota's swordbearers but not the Warpriest? Yet, I can take a no land beyond which uses conventional bullets and take him down. EDIT 1- Tons of support and I am thoroughly surprised. Thanks guys. I didn't know people on this forum could be so respectful. Someone reminded me that the vault was mentioned in passing during The Archive. EDIT 2- I'm all the way amazed at 300+ likes in less than 24 hours. At this rate, Bungie has to at least see it. A few more points to add in as well. [b]7. Omnigul, Archon Priest, and Valus Ta Aurc have no relevance in the current story.[/b] I'm aware that Archon Priest and Valus both have taken variants of their strikes. However, you can find normal non taken versions of the bosses on these strikes. Omnigul was killed in The Dark Below as a part of the story, yet here she is, leading CROTA'S armies. See how this is a problem in terms of logic and consistency? [b]8. Story missions can be replayed on an at light difficulty and in any order. So why not raids?[/b] It just doesn't add up. How can I start off with The Taken King missions at level 25 because I paid 30$ for a boost? My guardian will know nothing of the story or missions that came before. By that logic, every mission in the game should be 25+. Instead, missions are 25+ for TTK and going back before level 40 makes the old ones all a breeze.[/quote] Bump

I have been arguing for this as much as they say it wood be "hard" to up he light it's a load of BS and they know it after all it took them only a week to up the kings fall to the April updates new light so stop BS ing and just put in a hot fix some people are nostalgic but still want a challenge from nostalgia and honestly some of the gear from Y1 raids where the most boss stuff ever, Titian gear from VOG, warlock from CE. We love your imagination bunjie but don't hide the old stuff we like it to.

Actually, Trials, the Raids, the Strikes, and the Story Missions all have a purpose in lore, you just didn't dig enough into it.

Bungie plz read

Dinklebot approves.

Yep

I honestly want VoG to be brought back the most and SRL but mostly VoG

BUMP

Old weapons were basically reskins, because the new weapons were also reskins of the old weapon Archetypes. Nothing you got in TTK was actually new. Other than the new foundry weapons.

I'd be happy with pocket infinity and an updated VOG.

Damn son, well played. Why don't you coke on that one bungie.

I like this.