There is literally no way shotguns can become terrible then instantly op again, they've been nerfed to oblivion just let them be.

fusions and sidearms work well against shotgunners and rushers in general. git gud bb. love, an unrepentant shotgunning bastard

Shotguns are not OP, ALL primaries are underpowered.

Stop chasing me round a corner then. . . . -blam!- yeah actually don't stop rushing me bring it!

They're not "overpowered". They're just "overused". The real problem is the archetypes of shotguns. 99% of people (obviously an exaggerated number, but probably accurate nonetheless) use high impact & low rate of fire shotguns like Party Crasher. We need to improve to usage of high rate of fire & low impact shotguns like Burden of Proof into Crucible somehow, for example, give them the most range in their weapon class to compensate for the lack of impact. Shotguns do not need any nerfs, infact certain archetypes need enhancements.

Counter with a fusion rifle. I've been using one for a week or so. Cuts them down before they're in range. Very satisfying.

Shade Step and shotty. Perfect scrub set up.

I made this post in another thread and feel it's applicable here. Before hand though, TL;DR no, shotguns are not OP. They're in a good place IMHO. Mida is fine, it's operating at the ranges that it's intended to, and if a shotgun gets in close enough, you should die in a torrent of buckshot. Use a Fusion rifle, side arm and your vertical space. You'll come out on top quite a bit more often so long as you remain aware of the cover around you and limit how many approaches the enemy can take on your flanks. [spoiler]Hello, fellow sniper here. The first step is to admit you got outplayed. As a sniper, your greatest nemesis will almost always be those that rush or another sniper. The second is to stop subscribing to that mentality that "x does not require skill". I challenge you to try doing exactly what you think does not take skill for at least a day and see if you can make top of the score board consistently by charging in with wreckless abandon. I can almost assure you, it's not as mindless as you may think. How do I know this? Because I forced myself to play shotgun runner, I forced myself to learn how these types of people play. Believe you me, I SUCKED at it. You must plan your approach on the fly, have solid target acquisition and good reflexes. Positioning and knowing how to navigate the map is critical to your success. This will not only help you in your sniping techniques but will teach you about sniper lanes you may not have considered before as you hop from cover to cover to close the gap on an enemy player. As a sniper, I loved the satisfaction of getting that head shot, the feeling of making that precision kill on someone and knowing I shut them down before they could even get close enough to challenge me or out snipe me. It's a style that rewards knowing your choke points/sniper lanes and knowing how to situate yourself in such a way to maximize your advantage at said point. Shotgun running rewards a player in a similar manner, but rewards an aggressive style of play, pushing hard and fast while minimizing the time you're vulnerable as you close the gap on an enemy player. Knowing how to flee, and outsmart your opponent (baiting) and deft hand skills as you must be quick with both lining up your enemy in CQC and be twitchy on the trigger. To deny that either style of play requires little to no skill is disingenuous at best and outright ignorant at its worst. It's the refusal to acknowledge your own deficiencies, and if you refuse to find the flaws in your own defenses, how do you expect to find the flaws in anothers? Remember, that shotgun runner was at a disadvantage as he closed the gap on you, as a sniper, it's your responsibility to recognize this and move to a more advantageous position. Likewise it is the shotgun runners responsibility to limit your time on target as much as possible as he tries to get in close to pump you full of buckshot. The more skilled player will win. Be it the snap shot round to the shotgun users dome or overwhelming the sniper by sheer agility and show of force. Edit: I should add that there are quite a few hard counters to shotgun runners in CQC. Plan C is positively devastating if you master the timing. I've been shutdown numerous times by this weapon as I've tried to close the gap on enemy players who I mistakenly thought were defenseless in CQC. Side arms are also excellent at shutting down enemy shotgun runners. But most importantly, being mindful of your flanks, limiting as many enemy lines of sight on you as possible, and constantly staying on the move is imperative to being a good sniper, shotgun runner or just a solid PvP player overall. Use your vertical space, if you have a side arm, use this to your advantage. Jump up and away while firing down on them as they try to rush you. Prime the shotgun runner with a grenade either by damaging them directly or zoning them off with a trip mine, lightning or vortex/void fire grenade. You have so many tools at your disposal to counter a shotgun runner or a sniper, it's up to you to learn how to maximize the effectiveness of those tools at your disposal. I am NOT a pro at this game, I have many many flaws, but I am striving to improve upon my mistakes and inadequacy at certain things (gun skill and positioning being the big ones).[/spoiler]

Serously? This must be bait. Shotties were op. Felwinters Matador Party crasher Etc.. Now they are a risk/reward weapon. If you see me coming I'm dead.... What % of kills are failed shotty rushes....