I see several problems with reddit and DTG rules about posting. When you silence a thread on a topic that's on the bungieplz list you are silencing any potentially new ideas or angles on the subject. Essentially telling someone "this has been brought up before and we don't want to hear your take on it." Your essentially shutting down free speech. Your not allowing anyone [b]new[/b] to possible expand on that idea. How does that help anyone? The mods should be tracking the suggestions, maybe through stickies like Sols said, and allowing discussions that expand on the subject. The other part that seems horrible to me is the voting system. Any online community voting system has an inherent downside to "down voting". By and large up voting doesn't carry any baggage. People will up vote because they genuinely like what they hear. Down voting however will almost always include retaliatory votes, troll votes, spiteful votes etc. There's no way to control that. People can and will take advantage of that just to silence someone. Our thread voting here mainly serves to to highlight the popularity of the subject. Just look at most nerf posts. They've all zeroes mostly but if they're well thought out you may see some positives. There's no censoring unless the code of conduct is violated. To an outsider it makes Reddit look like there is a hidden agenda on the way its setup. EDIT: Grammar

I guess this Sols just want some attention very badly.... All i get out of your Posts is: "If someone dont share my opinion, then its surely a "Badguy". Also you whine a lot imo and noone like whiners that much i guess.

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This is one Reddit user posting crap about me all day today on your forums. Want to know a fun fact? On bnet, I can mute this dude. Also mods ban here for less than this. I got 6 days for calling someone a douchebag. Again, this was an opportunity for the Reddit community to prove me wrong and all they've done in thier posts is show that they're no different. the only difference is that we have a #feedback forum where you get real feedback on what is good AND what isn't. This dude.... You can keep him. [quote]Yup, anyone who would say that is likely a giant douchebag tbh... You're not getting downvoted because you have an opinion that differs from DTG, you are getting downvoted because you're being a dick about it dude. Also, you're being a dick to our mods, who work very hard to make our subreddit a decent place to be a part of. Holy -blam!- TL; DR dude This dude is a bnet turd Yeah, this dude is dumb as hell. Seriously, I'd like bnet to keep all their uncivil users and anybody there who is reasonable and doesn't shitpost all day is welcome here the dude is mad because he can't shitpost all day on reddit like he can on bnet He's basically mad because we actually have a voting system and rules and he can't just shitpost and get his own little circle jerk 5 times a day Yeah, but check out bnet, it's literally full of shitposts whining about everything you just listed (matchmaking for raids, thorn, etc) they repeat the same things over and over again and think it has an effect and that bungie will "fix the game", when in reality it's just a broken record. Exactly, this guy is just another example of the toxicity that is the bnet forums lol I used to use bnet and I got sick of the stupidity and anarchy I encountered there, when I came to DTG it was so nice to have a system where you actually have to be constructive and critical of your own writing. Seriously though, the total lack of both foresight and insight is incredibly apparent on bnet lol most bnet users would hate the fact that they cant spam post or write half the crap they're used to without getting downvoted into oblivion If you like bnet more because you can mindlessly post the same opinion a lot then stay at bnet[/quote]

To quote an earlier(and since edited) statement: By God, you got your panties in a wad didn't you? Keep onnnnn cherrypickin~

You're a real piece of work. I did write that and then I thought, you know what, that's a wrong statement and so I changed it. I think it's funny that you want to talk all mad shit about us, but behavior that would CLEARLY be removed and subject to bans over here is common place on your forums. Once more I've tried to discuss this with you further down the thread like civilized human beings, but you don't want discussion. You just want to to bask in the superiority of all the glory that is Reddit. Moral high ground.

I can't even anymore. You're so far gone, but at least I can say I tried. There's only so much you can do sometimes. I've tried to discuss with you, PLENTY of people have tried to discuss with you. In fact, if you missed it, I linked like 5 examples I found in >1 minutes. You don't want discussion, you want attention. I can't give it to you anymore though. :( Feel free to reply feeling like you won because I play with you(Gee I wonder why, maybe because any post gets something along the lines of junk like "le moral highground!") Now I'm going back to DTG, I can only take so much of the red-headed stepchild.(gee, wonder who said that one? But I guess I do like it.) Delusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

If i Got this right you are removing posts because they have been discussed several times. I can unterstand that you want to keep the Forum fresh,creative, innovative and up to date so you can have New Diskussions whenever you get there. But the Problem i have with this policy is, when a dev is going on this forum to learn what the biggest CURRENT Problems are which the community wants to be solved He will only find New, mostly minor problems while the big problems are isolated. Since you can't compare the frequency of comments to both tyeps of problems(Old/New) you can't take that as an Indikator for which topic is Most wanted to be changed. You can't tell if the Old problems Are outdated or still the mainissue.

The Bungie teams have acknowledged the usefulness of a list like what we have, in fact I think they may have something similar on Bnet. The criteria for something being on the list is very strict, 90% of users who try to submit a topic are generally denied. To be on the list means you're such a hot button topic on the reddit forums that everyone is already aware of the issue. Like private matches for crucible for example, its been asked about since Vanilla and bringing it up does nothing but beat a dead horse and it makes the forums stale

I will have to disagree here. The civil rights movement didn't achieve what it did, because it stopped asking after the first time. Even after they got their requests denied for the 10th time, they continued to repeat the same wishes, arguments and actions. If you're not constantly in the public eye, and constantly complaining, the ones who have the power to change things, won't care. This was overly clear when we look at SBMM and the discussions on Reddit. There was a very specific reason, why every second post was about SBMM and its removal. For weeks. Because people were so outraged at what happened there, that one single mega thread wouldn't have sufficed. Remember Luke "throwing money at the screen" Smith? After that interview, DTG basically wanted to lynch that guy. For weeks. In both cases the loud complaining voices won: SBMM was dialed down (even though not far enough. Green bar lag is effing real), and we never saw anything from Luke Smith again afterwards (in terms of PR work).

Matchmaking for Raids isn't even on your bungieplz list. And your solution of preventing people who want change from mentioning it is counter intuitive and down right stupid. Unless Bungie gives a reason why they physically can't, than people should be allowed to remind them whenever they feel like it. Change doesn't come around from keeping your mouth shut.

Thank you for replying to Sols post. My respect for the Reddit page was low, but has increased as a result. Instead of deleting posts on controversial topics my suggestion would be for you to have sticky threads that clearly summarize the issue and point out the arguments for and against. That way it would not give the impression to the casual browser / potential contributor (like me) or the new user (like Sols) that you are censoring topics. We all love this game... And are passionate about it. If the key issues we think need to be addressed are off limits then my tendency is to just use Reddit as a quick reference for things like "how to level to 335". But really nothing more than this. Cheers! Pacificdune

We can only have two stickied threads at a time, and we have to have space due to the several weekly threads that we have. We've decided that the Weekly Reset thread (which houses everything that is updated on the weekly reset, from Nightfalls, weekly bounties, PoE changes etc.) and the daily thread of the day are the best things to have stickied at any time The alternative to a sticky is a Wiki, which is what the BungiePls list is, and it's linked on the sidebar (sidebars are what users should first read when visiting a subreddit, it's a static place of information on reddit).

Here's the thing with that. Your BungiePlz list links to example posts. All you'd have to do is link them to a master discussion post on each topic.

Not example posts, we link the highest post based on that topic, i.e. the best discussion there has been on that topic. The forums, simple to how Bnet works, is community run. We don't like making sticky posts (for reasons I wrote about in another comment), but also because unless the subreddit is being flooded, the user's post on the subject is the best perspective on the issue

Okay have a second to reply. So as a new user to Reddit, here are a couple of observations. The official app needs a lot of work. As I stated the links to the rules don't work on my app and even when trying to go to links in a mobile browser it would just take me to a page that said "beta" and had a "retry" button. As for the removed subject, I still 100% disagree with the solution you all came up with to the "problem" of having to see lots of posts on particular subjects. Maybe if there were sticky threads on each where people could go if they wanted to discuss them it would be different, but I didn't see that if they're there. If there aren't stickies where you can post your opinion on issues like matchmaking, and in fact all talk of it is off limits, then that is the equivalent of putting your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist. As I posted in a reply over there, right now is when Bungie are able to implement real change in the future of Destiny because they're a year to a year and a half out on Destiny 2. So whatever change we want to see and whatever we want D2 to be, now is when we need to voice those thoughts. Once it ships it will be just like what we have now. A mostly set experience that will get minor tweeks in gameplay, UI and structure now and then. Again, I posted a topic on hosting private lobbies and the benefits of that format. It got like 4 comments form others and a day later a mods tells me they're deleting it for posting on a banned topic. It was unnecessary and unwelcoming, but whatever. It was the fact that immediately afterwards I found I couldn't even participate in other posts more than once every 10 minutes that I really felt like an outsider looking in. So I posted my opinion of it and I posted it here because for the last 2 years all we hear about is how pathetic we are over here and how terrible our community is. Well, maybe we have a rougher edge, but it's OUR community and a lot of us have become real friends over here thanks to these forums and this game. What's really funny is that the post on reddit is full of just as much vitriol, personal attacks on my character and generalizations of bnet users as they accuse us of having here. Yes this post is not painting reddit in a kind light, but it has also led to actual debate and discussion between the two instead of all the vitriol simmering beneath the surface as each looks down on the other. If anyone on reddit thinks there's one bit of difference between us ribbing nerf posters and your giving negative karma, they're sadly mistaken. We say how we feel, reddit hides behind down votes. That's my take.

I think it's funny how the majority of your complaints are actually Reddit rules, not the DTG subs rules. The posting, and the comment complaints are not the mods fault. Secondly, I don't think you understand how much matchmaking is mentioned, do you realize how boring it is to look through post after post asking for raid matchmaking, and seeing the same replies inside? Honestly, if you're trying to say that the community over here isn't shitty, you're doing a piss poor job of displaying that.