I can tell you have used a sunsinger before. Only a person that's actually used one would realize that grenades and melee make that class. They should sit you in a room with Datto. I think you would easily show how dumb he is.

If they wanna nerf the shit out Viking Funeral and Flame Shield, then Sunsinger should get the following changes: [u]Sunburst[/u]: increase the blast radius of Grenades. Longer duration for Solar Grenades. Basically, a combination of Annihilate and Vortex Mastery. [u]Radiant Will[/u] should have the bonus effect of boosting recovery for you and nearby allies while Radiance is active. Radiance recharges faster (kinda like the Gunslinger's Gunfighter perk). [u]Flame Shield[/u], if they change it to only activate on kill like Defender's Force Barrier, shouldn't use up a melee charge until it kills. [u]Solar Wind[/u] should have an AoE that pushes away, damages, and ignites surrounding enemies with greater knockback range. It should push enemies back about half the distance that a Taken Phalanx's ability can. [u]Brimstone[/u] should be an ability that casts an explosion on hit, blinding, damaging, and igniting enemies nearby. [u]Viking Funeral[/u] should be an ability where all your abilities will burn away the enemy's defenses while Radiance is active. Kinda like the Sunbreaker's Melting Point.

0.003 damage nerf to fire bolt and 0.000004 nerf to all warlock melee range, this will bring balance without destroying the class.

What about flame shield?

You should put that firebolt was already been nerfed with arc bolt. Remember arc bolt 120 -> 100 and fire bolt 100 -> 80

Hunter main here, Yoo guys are wayyyy tooo OP, like SUPER OP, I mean you can guys can come back from the dead and kill me, and you can 1 hit me with your melee and get a Sheild? No, thats too OP, and you guys have Song of flame so you can just make your whole team spam Fire bolt grenades! YOu guys really need a nerf. . . . . Wait, Wrong Universe, This is the one where Sunsingers can't do that and Where I Don't have a Main character and instead use all 3 Subclasses Equally. Any Hunter out there Try Warlocks with song of flame or without Firebolt grenades? Maybe without Flame shield? No? If you have you'll know they are even less than Sub-par for the course, They make your "Circle of life" Perk seem like it needs a Nerf. I mean Solar wind? ANYONE here use it for something other than pushing your friend off of a cliff Pre-nerf? (That was the most useful part of that perk, Yes, that. ,And they removed it) Cause i haven't. Anyone use Song of flame or Angel of light Competitively? Don't forget we have a perk that makes enemies explode upon a KILL with our Charged melee (Brimstone), You might be thinking "Thats pretty good" But it's explosion size is Relative to Icebreaker (Yes, Icebreaker causes Enemies killed by it to Explode, I was just as surprised) which is Extremely tiny, In order to be affected you would need to be touching the body when it explodes, Yes you read that Properly, The Body, Not where they were killed, but the Body, You know? The thing that floats away at Mach 10 as soon as it dies? Yeah, you need to be touching that Helium loaded Space rocket for a WHOPPING *Drumroll* . . . . . 72 damage, (May have tested Improperly) kind of difficult to Find someone in a public match willing to Participate and also manage to get inside the blast radius. 72 damage, For some perspective, Thats about as much as a High impact handcannon (First curse,Timurs lash,Judith D,etc.) body shot. for all those PvE players, that can kill a Rank 1 ad (Thrall,Psion,Shank,etc.) and nothing more (still damages of course). Our super? We have 1 choice, Fire-born, and even then the animation can get us killed immediately, How many times can you say you have been killed while doing the animation to your super? (Other than while you were in a firefight) Probably not many times, But this is a Regular thing for sunsingers All in all, yes, we could use some Nerfs here and there, But we NEED Buffs before we think of what to Remove, How many other classes have 1 option for all of their choices? How many classes can you guess what perks people are using and be right the Majority of the time? Do you use Weapons or Blessing of light? Aftermath or Shockwave? Gunfighter or Combustion? Vanish or Razors edge? Landfall or Superconductive? Quiver or Black hole?. There are so many other options for other classes, You go to Sunsinger and Its Fire-born or you ignore the perks, Yes radiant skin sounds nice, But you want to Know the difference it makes? 2-3 bullets, sometimes even 1. Evidence/Citations Personal Experience/Testing [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2uxtb5/radiant_skin_vs_fireborn_damage_calculations/]Radiant skin difference[/url] [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3r6vkv/an_indepth_sunsinger_guide_now_updated_for_the/]Removal of Solar wind trolling[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhMo3qgd4s]Self-res insta-kills[/url] Edit 1: fixed spelling mistakes and Incorrect perk names. Thank you for reading this :)

With the recent news that warlocks WILL be getting nerfed because more people bitched about them, I'm just hoping they leave void walker alone.

Yeah I do not have any positive feelings that these adjustments will be positive in anyway, shape or form. Prior history supports that this will get screwed up just like every other modification that has been made. Would be willing to bet that these changes STILL won't be separated between PvP or PvE. Which in its self is mind boggling.

Actually you're wrong... From my testing Firebolts hit for 85 damage, and Arc bolts for 91, making Firebolts the weakest in the game

Regen prevention is too strong in 3v3 matches, taking a team member away for 15-17 seconds is brutally powerful. I'd change it for the sake of those modes, doing similar damage but concentrated into a smaller amount of time.

Then I guess you've never played trials against firebolt spammers

Firebolts can kill you in one shot, they need to increase the damage of the burn, and decrease the duration of the burn, shits annoying having to go get a fire extinguisher to put myself out. Burn for days.

I main a warlock but I enjoy playing as a Titan or Hunter just the same. Because of this I am pleased where Warlocks are at in the PvE and PvP aspect. However let's talk change. Hunters; Blade dancers: I think the agility should be increased during the super and the hit detection should be fixed. Gunslinger: Could they finally fix trip mine grenades? I have seen and had them detonate on a guardians or my own foot and survived with a miniscule of health. What the hell is that? Also I want the Symbiote helmet to add time to the supers duration not reduce it this needs to be at the very least discussed. Nightstalker: Mmm. I know you're all thinking about the poison and vortex grenade wombo combo. Hear me out. I think the slowing of a character is the problem. I say reduce the initial damage of the smoke grenade and increase the disabling radar in PvP. So you have a better chance of surviving the combo but you don't have your radar to help you for a brief time. Titans; Defender: Personally I like where Defenders are but they have a lack in PvP unless it's control. I'm thinking fix the force barrier in terms although many fellow Warlocks will argue about this one because "force barrier has extra perks like regeneration and so forth, whereas flame shield does not." My response to that is to shut up. I've been killed in a melee fight while I got my flameshield. I think force barrier should activate on hit as well. Strikers: *Sigh* there's a lot of people complaining about "I jumped out of the way or in the air and still got killed". Big deal, if you're in the air when a warlock activates storm caller you may be screwed too. Not to mention Bladedancers can jump and get that extra height kill with a swing of their knife. Anyways I really want to see aftermath changed more than anything. If you manage to survive and step towards the pulsating electric ball I've seen players dodge out after a single pulse. I think we should speed up the pulses so it goes off faster but keep the damage the same. Sunbreakers: My God, like I said I main a Warlock but what in the hell did we do. OK straight to the point with this one. I think the 'tracking hammers' should actually be buffed a little more. Because they sure as hell don't alter flight path now. Secondly could we please get a microscopic(I'm talking 0.04% here bungie) of an increase to simmering flames? It does a good job but it's really not worth selecting unless it's in mayhem. Anyways like I said. Goku(Voidwalker), Emperor Palpatein(Stormcaller) and Jesus(I made a resurrection joke yes) are fine in both fields of PvE and PvP

I think fire bolt grenades work just fine and I purposefully don't use Viking funeral because I know how annoying it is.

We always adapt Dual fusion + Viking/ToF wearing Star Fire Protocol Or Dual fusion + void fang vestment

A lot of grenades need fixed. Flux grenades should do more area damage to make up for the fact they are the weakest sticky. Arc Bolt needs buffed a bit. Firebolt should burn automatically, and the burn perks in the skill tree should be removed. (Including Viking Funeral)

Its a no skill grenade. It shouldn't do so much damage. But with Viking funeral and touch of flame it does the most damage of a grenade except sticky grenades which is stupid. Even axion bolts, which do around 100 damage, are harder to hit. People who are defending this rely on it way too much. People use firebolts are their main form of getting kills and taking people out of the fight and it's stupid. Don't remove Viking funeral, but reduce damage it deals by 4-5 ticks