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Edited by THE Protoman: 12/14/2015 4:21:01 AM
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Last Word balance- disable ADS completely

The Last Word has emerged as a gigantic problem in crucible once more thanks to the handcannon buff. It is operating at mid range while ADS rendering auto rifles completely worthless and making game modes such as rumble essentially one gun modes if you want to compete. Bungie has shown they have trouble balancing around this one particular gun many times, when it was in control recently it caused nearly every other handcannon to be worthless via the weapon class nerf. What should be done is this- The Last Word needs to lose the ability to ADS completely. It will then be the close range weapon it was meant to be without insane power outside it's intended range and it will no longer threaten the handcannon class as a whole with nerfs. Edit #1. To the many attempting to defend The Last Word, just stop for a moment and think. If it keeps performing like it is there will be a handcannon class nerf again. The result will be that it will be balanced once more while all other handcannons are mediocre to unusable. Edit#2. There are truly an amazing amount of people rushing in with mindless, off the wall insults. So many can provide no argument. We all know TLW is operating outside it's intended range. Try to deflect or just deny the facts. Remember, if the last word isn't dealt with it will destroy the entire handcannon class once more.

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  • Sure, if this fix the hit detection, give it a bit more range and let every single bullet hit where you land because currently it's broken. Headshots randomly count as bodyshots, bodyshots not registring on random occasions, the list goes on. Fix those first and then sure, they can take away ads for all I care. Fix the hipfire issues before removing ads.

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  • people who use ads with the last word are not using the gun properly. PERIOD. No amount of nerfs or buffs have ever changed this. If you can't kill an idiot who shoots the last word in ads, you're a bigger idiot

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  • Edited by Spicy Chico: 12/14/2015 1:31:23 PM
    OP, a Titan, and a Warlock are sitting at a table. The Titan, a Sunbreaker, is seriously wounded, and has a broken arm and leg. The Warlock, a Stormcaller, is in perfect health, and is sitting as calm as can be. OP is pacing around the table, thinking deeply about what should be nerfed next. [b]OP:[/b] Let's see, I just got killed by a sniper... he must have been relying on that aim assist crutch! NERF SNIPER AIM ASSIST BUNGIE, OMFG!!!! [b]Warlock:[/b] Oh, will you just shut it already! Look at poor Jim over here. [i]Points at Titan.[/i] He can barely move from what your constant bickering did to him. [b]Titan:[/b] Need... super... energy... [b]OP:[/b] Don't even bother, Jim. Now you know how us Hunters, the master race, felt when you b*tched and complained about Bladedancers for a whole year. [b]Titan:[/b] Please... no more... nerfs... [b]Warlock:[/b] Okay, maybe the Sunbreaker was a little OP, but that doesn't mean every other piece of equipment in the damn game needs to be nerfed along with it! [b]OP:[/b] Oh crap! Bungie is about to buff auto rifles by... 7%! Oh no, that can't happen. [i]grabs phone.[/i] [b]Warlock:[/b] What the hell are you doing? [b]OP:[/b] Hey, Xur! I have a job for you. [b]Xur:[/b] It is my will to speak to you. [b]OP:[/b] You know that 7% buff to medium RoF Auto Rifles due this Tuesday? [b]Xur:[/b] I think the cells of this body are dying... [b]OP:[/b] Move the decimal point to the left a bit! [b]Xur:[/b] My will is not my own... [b]OP:[/b] [i]hangs up.[/i] Weird guy... well, I just prevented a possible OP weapon buff. What's next? Let's see, I forgot to mention something... was it handcannons? No, they got nerfed ages ago... Ah, yes, Stormcaller!! [b]Warlock:[/b] What the hell!? I'm perfectly balanced!!! [b]OP:[/b] THAT GUY JUST KILLED ME FROM WAY TOO FAR AWAY!!! IT'S SO OP!!! [b]Warlock:[/b] I'm not overpowered, what the hell is wrong with you? [b]OP:[/b] ANOTHER ONE JUST KILLED ME! WHY IS IT SO OP!!! [b]Warlock:[/b] Shut up! Please stop, Bungie might hear you! [b]OP:[/b] [i]pulls out megaphone[/i]. STORMTRANCE IS WAY TOO OVERPOWERED. PLEASE NERF THEM BUNGIE, NERF THEM!!! [i]The Titan, unnoticed to this point, suddenly turns from bright orange to light blue. His broken limbs heal themselves, and he stands up vigorously. [/i] [b]OP:[/b] Jim, did you just switch subcla- [i]drops megaphone.[/i] OH SH*T!! [i]The Titan shoulder-charges OP, sending him flying into the wall.[/i] [b]Titan:[/b] YOU... WILL NOT... NERF... MY FRIEND!! [i]The Titan activates his Fist of Havoc, demolishing OP, and the entire wall behind him.[/i] [b]Warlock:[/b] Why... why did you do that? [b]Titan:[/b] You don't know the pain I've been through these past few days. I - I don't want you to share the same fate. [i]OP respawns next to the Titan.[/i] [b]OP:[/b] What the hell jus- wait, that was a Fist of Panic!!!! BUNGIE, NERF THE STRIKER! [b]Warlock:[/b] Their super wasn't even buffed, dipsh*t. [b]OP:[/b] I don't care!! THEY'RE SO POWERFUL!!! [b]Titan:[/b] What if everything you ever wanted... [b]Warlock & OP:[/b] ????? [b]Titan:[/b] WAS TO KICK SHIT IN THE FACE!? FOREVER! [b]Warlock:[/b] What in the hell are you talking about? [b]Titan:[/b] [b]THEN YOU NEED [u]PEREGRINE GREAVES!!![/u][/b] [i]Titan jumps in the air, then rams his knee into the OP's face.[/i] [b]Warlock:[/b] Why does he always brag about those damn things? All credit goes to Deron43 for this beautiful piece of art. I'm just here to spread the joy.

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  • They changed the hip fire and now it's hard for me to see when I hip fire. Like the gun is half your screen.

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  • i've been using TLW since i got it (before TDB) and i've been outgunning every other last word, i never ADS with it. if you ADS you're at a major disadvantage.

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    • Actually the "Fan Fire" Perk should be disabled when you ADS with the Last Word. That way, ADS doesnt have to be disabled completely. Alot of people claim to to "only hipfire" when they are lying. This will solve the balance issue with the weapon.

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      • Sadly they need to do something. The variety is going to take a shit competitively. Anyone who disagrees uses TLW exclusively.

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      • Probably a good idea.

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      • No, TLW isn't that bad. I used to use it all the time pre-2.0 and I can't use it now because of the way bungie messed up its stats. Its fine, you need to cope with it. Find your style and what you can use to counter it. I don't want this game ruined because of people crying about nerfs. Just stop.

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      • Here, this should help.

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      • Please just shut up people like u ruin the game with ur butthurt . So what someone killed u with TLW, if u had more skill u could counter it. Ur fault not the games. Also if u cant beat them... Then join them

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      • Edited by ZvSpid: 12/14/2015 12:42:37 PM
        another stupid post. TLW is currently godly in insanly short range (almost shotgun range) but is niwhere near any good in mid range. any AR of hard light type is way better and if you fir from it you just suck. and for ypur edit its the only usable hc anyway ..

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      • I use NLB and cannot even remember stepping into TLWs range... Was my favorite year 1 weapon, but range and accuracy have been hit hard...

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      • Satire? Please satire? It's not possible to be this stupid is it

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      • Personally I never ADS with the gun anyway so this wouldnt effect me. If you're out of the probable hip fire range I switch to Sniper.

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        • Agreed signed bumped

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        • When my ex tries to get the last word, I just counter it with my backhand. So OP. Can bungie just add that into crucible?

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        • I really do t know where all this is coming from. I've been running Suros Regime & Mida since the patch dropped and have been just fine. *Kanye Shrug*

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          • Then while were at it we should remove first curse hipfire, remove snipers hipfire, force people with shotguns to only walk and hipfire etc. Because "intended range."

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            • I agree with what you say and this is coming from someone with over 16,000 kills on tlw. However if they were to do this I suggest they make it so that you can get crits whilst in hip fire. Otherwise it'll make tlw useless. Or atleadt buff the range on it for hip fire. Atleadt something to make it useful somewhat

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              • Edited by Alec_Shujinko: 12/14/2015 8:52:24 AM
                Dude, do you have the numbers on screen like at Bungie? Who made you R&D? Your post is such a small squeak of noise in the meta, your opinion does should not and will not speak for the masses. Just find a counter to TLW and git gud. STOP SCREWING THE GAME WITH CRY BABY POSTS LIKE THIS ONE!!!

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              • Edited by One Shot Ted: 12/14/2015 3:27:38 AM
                LOL Make The First Curse unable to hipfire, then.

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                • Is it the buff? Or is it the Jolly Holliday quest? Because tlw has been my main crucible weapon since I got it the first time xur sold it

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                • Wait....you're a noob...okay, continue

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                • Why not make crucible no guns, no melee, no super and no map weapons? When spawn - players can just start running around like headless chickens until times up. Draw match and everyone get exotic engrams :) We have been suffering with so many tunings and nerfs; i miss those period without forum and when you die all the time in crucible = git gud.

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