That shit you keep adding at the end of your post is cancer.

I can't change the game. That's a fact. I was raised not to whine or blame something else when I lose, but instead to accept responsibility and change what I can in the future. So I adapt instead of crying a salty river. Is (insert whiny topic of the month) OP? I don't know, and frankly I don't care. If it kills me a lot I'll try to adjust my playstyle to account for it a million times before calling for a nerf. That should always be an absolute last resort, never something that comes and goes with the tide. So yeah, I read your whole post (thank you for using proper line spacing by the way). And I disagree wholeheartedly.

You just need to adapt OP.

Glad you're against the adapt arguement. Dude, I've been trying to adapt to this sniper meta and its been rough on me. The hopscotch/pre nerf tlw put me in a good place then right as I was approaching 2.0 k/d then they dumped ttk and since then I've been trying to adapt and its just not happening. Right when I found my gun Lyudmilla they nerfed it too oblivion. My crucible experience since ttk makes me sad. Forever average during this meta.

Are you telling me that switching play style, like not sprinting toward someone with a last word or not sniping down lanes unless you're a great sniper, isn't adapting? You're telling me, through all the nerfs and different metas, you never changed how you played? Maybe you just didn't notice

You need to adapt lol sorry your bad

Tldr the tldr

From my experience in crucible, it's disappointing seeing a mainly 4 weapon meta. The reason why snipers are best now is because they're the only special currently that can do consistent damage. With all these shotgun nerfs and consequently fusion.rifle nerfs have made it no other choice. There's no travel time, there's no random buckshot pattern it's pull the trigger on the hit box and 1000 yard archetypes do 167. Even the best shotguns can struggle to do that damage from 5m away, fusions unless you have impressive stability on it the recoil makes it impossible to use it reliably from say 7-10 metres away. Both these weapons without damage buffs can't super kill by themselves. Hell people even brag about point blank hip firing self res warlocks. The problem with snipers isn't the aim assist or lack of sway or stagger they just do the job better even in the optimal range of shotguns and fusions. Last word shouldn't fan fire down ads. I don't see why when you aren't using the weapon as intended you should still get the benefits. Last word became more popular with a hand cannon ads accuracy increase; now I wonder why that is. Doctrines range and lack.of damage drop off is the only thing wrong with the weapon. It's a good gun with amazing perks on it. Mida does everything well, more speed, staggering bullets, radar active, high magazine, lightning quick equip time and a unique archetype that can 4 headshot kill. I just think it's stability and magazine size could be a tad lower to stop people pre firing or just spamming shots.

Adapting = play the meta

When Auto Rifles were OP I used a Suros. When Hand Cannons were OP I used TLW. When Pulse Rifles were OP I used Hawksaw/PDX-45. When Blade Dancers were OP I used a Blade Dancer. When Sunbreakers were OP I used a Sunbreaker. When MIDA and Doctrine were OP... well, you get the picture. [spoiler]see a pattern?[/spoiler] Unless you don't have/can't get the tool (RNG can be a cruel mistress) nothing stops you from being "OP," too.

Whoa someone put tldr at the top for once

I'm going to give this another shot because we got off on the wrong foot before. Put the past behind us for a moment and, if you have the time, entertain my perspective for a moment. Weapon balance and "adapting" are definitely separate discussions, but are related in my perspective. If a weapon is overpowered, there are people who will whine, and then there are those who actually make a mature complaint. The silent majority however are forced to adapt until the vocal minority can prod the developer to change the culprit. Before shotguns were nerfed, snipers were forced to adapt by increasing field awareness and not making stupid moves. Now that snipers rule, and I won't argue that they don't, we have more freedom with rifles. It does seem imbalanced, but descoping would most likely render snipers obsolete. I'd be fine with more flinch or sway. Sorry, I know that this is a separate topic, but to tie it in think about why we say "adapt." Right now, there isn't any difference in the way sniper rifles worked yesterday, so what can you do? Not much. The only thing you can do is talk to your team and try to eliminate the problem. Yeah, it sucks, but that's what we had to do in year one against shotguns. Shotgunners and snipers should both have to be certain that they can make a play before they do it. Field awareness and communication should be paramount to special weapon success. Again, my apologies for being an asshat before. I misunderstood your post to an extensive degree, but it really is fairly misleading. Still, the reason we say adapt is because we want people to suggest things rather than bitch and moan about something being overpowered. If the person posting hasn't offered anything of value to the readers, and is simply trying to get people to wipe away their tears, then we suggest that they adapt to the situation instead. As of right now, there are definitely imbalances in the game. However, nearly everything has a countermeasure. In fact I can't think of anything that can't be countered. I mean, if it fails - it fails, but at least you tried to do something about it. In my experience there's nothing more upsetting in destiny than losing your flawless chance on an 8-0 card. But if you can look your teammates in the eyes and say, "I did everything I could," and really mean it from the bottom of your heart -- with no regrets -- then I'd say you've adapted.

Were you around at the start when the vex was in pvp? I think not ;-)

That's some shit all the try hard scrubs say, it's like stfu kid you use crutches to perform, there's ZERO skill there. I'm not adapting by bringing myself down to using a crutch loadout and be a pussy.

I see your point. But your evidence was partially wrong. Pvp in itself is all about adaptation. If you see a sniper hard scoping a cave and you challenge them over and over again and keep on dying, you have no right to say 'snipers are op!' You went down that lane where you know he has a headshot ready. That's your fault. In which case an example of 'adapting' would to be to sneak around the back and shoot him from behind. If you see a team using doctrine of passing, you need to understand that specific weapon's pros and cons. Pros: hold down the trigger and melt anything in a certain radius from you Cons: cannot shoot accurately/powerfully at Long range. The obvious thing to do is to keep your distance on the other team, pull out a mida and shoot em from a long distance. If you constantly try to charge them with a shotgun and die before you get anywhere near shotgun range, you have no right to say 'doctrine is op!' Nothing in this game is op. Every single weapon has its pros/cons (exception of thorn... It's pros highly outweigh its cons) -last word has horrible long/mid range -doctrine does as well -mida can't touch you at close range -snipers are crap from close range The best advice I could give to someone who's now starting pvp is to learn each weapon, understand its advantages and disadvantages, and take advantage of each.

But... Do you really use the Hard Light exclusively? [i]~I'll Ram your ass![/i]

You on Xbox or PS?