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Edited by Artisan: 8/13/2019 12:24:22 AM
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New Anti-mayhem mode - a pure gunfight mode

With supers between classes never seeming to be remotely balanced, as well as them effectively ending the gunfight gameplay after 3mins of PvP play, why not have a gunfight gameplay mode? Here's the rules: you get NO supers, you get NO heavy, NO class abilities, and melee, grenade and movement are standardised. It's classless, fairer, pure gunfight, for those who like that kind of thing. It's the opposite of Mayhem. It's Anti-Mayhem. Oh, and matchmaking works and 4stacks don't square up against solo players (ffs Bungie, fix this). It'd be very interesting to see how single-class players fair against each other, without any advantages tipping the balance their way. Class advantages disabled. - - Some responses to points raised: [b]On Heavy being allowed[/b] Heavy is really only an ammo version of one-shotting, insta-kill supers now. Colony, Coil, Truth, etc. are so OTT, so skillless and so widespread that again all fighting gameplay stops when the heavy arrives. There's always Mayhem for those who love the spamming. I remember watching the gameplay of True Vanguard Vs CammyCakes where there was an understanding they wouldn't stoop to using heavy or if they picked it up they would just shoot it in the air to have it out the game. Better this for this one skill mode. Or try out having a single heavy brick each. [b]On having no Special as well[/b] I think having no special would limit the pool of weapons too much. All Special ammo weapons can be countered or avoided unlike most Heavy. Having limited Special drops would make sense here. [b]On it being CoD or Halo then[/b] Yes, if you like, but with D2 maps, D2 weapons, D2 loadouts, D2 armour, D2 Crucible bounties, D2 quest steps, D2 Valour (or even D2 Glory too!), and D2 clans. Other than that, "identical." It's an extra mode too, not a replacement. [b]On restricting Pinnacle weapons[/b] No. If Bungie rolls out the Revoker model to Pinnacle quest weapons ( some of which are locked out for many behind Rank barriers) then it wouldnt be a problem. So, no restrictions. With that model, perhaps the way Bungie are moving towards, you still have to grind and work for them with queststeps and copious amounts of Glory but they're not permanently out of reach for some, like Recluse, MT and Lunas in particular are right now. [b]On use of resources[/b] Really? Any new development takes some resources. But, they NEED to do SOMETHING in any regard. As far as things go, this would be extremely low on development time. [b]On thanks[/b] This got a surprising amount of likes and responses in a short time, some against, many for. Someone suggested it be called [b] Suppression[/b] which is also very fitting. I actually prefer it. Apparently an article has appeared with the same original name and some similar ideas, which is great. (I'd never read it nor happened to have heard of him and have posted about this long before - it's of no matter). He didn't mention anything at all about levelling the playing field between classes as is clear here which otherwise wouldnt address the unfairness. There's clearly a Destiny market for both this more gunfight-focused extra mode and a class level-playing field mode - Crucible can't just remain for one or, at best, two of the three classes forever. I think it WOULD work in particular if cycled at the same time as Mayhem - so you get a yin-yang polarity of options and with fans/haters of one type, there would be less likely a dilution of players. I hope it lands on the desk of Bungie's PvP team and moves forward. Open up Crucible.
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  • Go play cod or something.

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    • This is just d2 vanilla it's a boring slog.

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    • Edited by Midnight: 8/10/2019 8:36:14 PM
      Would be a really cool game mode. Especially since we lost our light at the beginning of the game and it would serve guardians in the case of something happening like that again. [spoiler]class jumps stay as they are[/spoiler] Tie Shaxx and lore into it as well. "Crucible is a way for guardians to hone their skill and after the Cabal attack on the tower.... I've decided to create something new for you and those those who fight in the crucible." Call it supression (Credit to MNN8tv)

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      • Edited by Rozpruwacz: 8/11/2019 11:09:51 PM
        I think that it's a great idea. The only thing I don't agree with is the fact that it's classless. For me what makes Destiny PvP is classes. The unique movement, melees and class abilities is half the fun for me. Edit. After giving it more thought I don't agree. What Destiny PvP needs is balancing. We shouldn't just give up on some aspects of the game. The gamemode you're describing would be just slower quickplay without supers. Shotguns would be a lot harder to use because of the restricted movement. Jotunn would be broken because you wouldn't be able to jump over it nor run away from it. People still would play Mountaintop + Recluse, Last Word + Snipe. If anything this mode would be more rage inducing. But if people want a gamemode like this then go for it.

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      • No, it would be super boring.

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        • I would use 8t for quests steps other than it would suck and just be a special nonsense.

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        • I would love this. Then all the people who want this can stop trying to make the rest of pvp boring.

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          • Great idea OP. At least credit Paul Tassi.

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            • Remember the Hardcore Mode, or Whatever it was called... Personally, Yes ME, The guy typing this reply, Completely outlined a Hardcore Mode, specifically for Competitive play. Bungie Ignored the LONG outline, and came up with something similar. My Idea was "VERY MLB" accessible, and probably would have been the best option for a new VS mode, when Trials went offline. Players would have been required to LOSE abilities... No Double Jumping, Grenades, throwing knifes, ETC. Supers would be turned off. Radar... Nope. Okay so now that all the fun is sucked out of it, what is the point. You are stuck with BLUE WEAPONS AND ARMOR. Your Gear is LOCKED OUT, aside from Blue gear or lower. Yup, even less fun. But guess what... Now its up to your SKILL, and your ability to talk to teammates, to get you trhough the match. None of this INVINCIBILITY garbage, that people use, None of the garbage shoulder charges killing you in a single hit, or dodging out of the screen when you know you should be dead. Could Bungie implement Crucible Specific Weapons... absolutely. In fact, my concept would generate NEW rolls, that are specifically catering towards this type of game play. These weapons would have LESS aim assist, LESS AUTOMATIC TRACKING... None of these hitscan weapons would be allowed in crucible... The Basic Bottom line, is that when you die, you cannot blame anyone else, except your team and your own play. There would be no advantages in the match... You are not going against a team of players that run in a pack, so they all have their supers at the same time, and then just dominate your team... You are going against other people, that have the same issues you will have. Radar Off might seem a Little too much, but then you don't have to worry about people Corner crouching with a shotgun, because now they cannot watch their back with a radar. With these changes in place, and a few I have not mentioned, you could have a mode, where people might have to dial back the FLASHY ASPECT, and their crutching of builds that give them a distinct advantage over MOST players. It would literally be down to SKILL, and team work, and nothing else. But again, this will get ignored.

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              • Edited by Gigafloh: 8/11/2019 7:29:47 PM
                What you propose about abilities and movement would make the game inferior to Halo 5. A Spartan there can dodge, float in the air, shoulder bash and ground slam with the thruster packs. If you don't have the class movement options, any guardian will be far inferior to a modern Spartan.

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              • YES! Been wanting that for a while. See how well players do when they have to rely on primary, and special only.

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              • This. Also how about fixed load outs. Aka like Halo.

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                • What I don’t understand is [i]why?[/i] why do you want this? Destiny PvP is wild and unbalanced but that’s what makes it unique. What you want is a different game. The argument that pure gunfights make it fairer is absurd anyway and I play on all classes with off meta weapons and skill trees and still usually win. Knowing when to use your super, how to play the heavy point and using grenades for zoning all require skill, claiming that the person that can more consistently pick people off with a scout rifle at the back of the map is the most skilled is silly and glorifies one aspect of the game. Do you remember PvP in its watered down state at the start of D2? Boy was that stale. Don’t get me wrong, I feel your pain when it comes to seeing a striker roam the map for the whole game or seeing someone panic a blade barrage when they are getting outplayed, same with certain skill-less heavies like Colony or Wardcliff. We can all identify the crutches and get frustrated by them but as I stated; this is what makes Crucible, Crucible and in most cases there are counters to all these crutches. All the best.

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                  • Have heavy but 1 time heavy spawn D1 style.

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                    • Can you imagines all the hunters crying in this game mode since they always rely on abilities to get kills? This playlist wouldn’t have any hunters...which honestly is a good thing

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                      • wasn't there a mode like this in D1?

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                      • I think instead crucible should be changed completely to have a separate inventory than what we carry with us. It should have every weapon type and weapon archtype available to select and we would pick these standardized weapons from our inventory and that would be that. No God roll weapons with insane advantages that break all balancing, just, oh I got killed by his hand cannon he's good with the hand cannon. And everyone has the same weapons available and able to switch to while in crucible. Supers could still be there along with heavy, but only with standard weapons across the board. That is the only way pvp will ever be balanced. If instead of bungie having to micromanage every perk in the game and every perk configuration, they can just balance these few weapons and know that they won't break something in pve. This would also have the added benefit of making pve more desirable to play sometimes by allowing us to get these God roll guns and use them in the game without worrying that they will be nerfed into the ground due to pvp.

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                        • Have it be the new Trials. Trials is the pinnacle of PvP after all, it should be the most balanced.

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                          • With that mode noone will see a titans since about 90% cant seem to get a kill unless they are brainlessly running around 1 shot meleeing people

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                          • They could really cover this game mode lore wise by having shaxx say hes training us for another red legion situation. What happens if we lose our light again. Nbd shaxx trained us for that. This would also require the jump to just be your little hop haha.

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                            • The sweats and try hards would cry when they get absolutely demolished. Thats why we will never see a balanced crucible or any game mode in PvP Not to mention P2P connection the Nintendo 64 used and CBMM that has never actually worked, people just -blam!- about getting destroyed until bungie removed SBMM and never put any form of match making back in its places Hopefully D3 wont have a PvP because bungie doesnt know how to make a PvP (hopefully there wont be a D3 at all)

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                              • YES! As a PvP bunny who's trying to "get gud" I currently get only a few minutes to practice my other PvP skills, then the rest of the match getting stomped by heavy ammo. I am getting LOTS of practice though at running away from supers... About 7 minutes of it a match.

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                              • Funny how all the people saying "no" to no supers and no ability kills are telling people to go play other shooters lol. They couldn't "git gud" without space magic on other games and don't want to lose their specialness.

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                                • This is interesting

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                                • So basically striping any form of light aswell as heavy ammo. I like it; it would actually require skill to play. And I'll be honest I would rather have this than Trials of Osiris.

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                                • [url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/08/11/a-destiny-2-anti-mayhem-pvp-mode-without-supers-or-heavy-sounds-good-right-about-now/]P.T., you're masquerading as an idiot with this post, and also busted.[/url]

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