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4/19/2016 9:11:26 PM
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Then flash restarts universe. Killing manhatten. Also manhatten couldn't do anything in this time frame, as the flash can do it before instant. As he is faster then instant
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Manhattan will simply re-create the universe. Also I don't see how restarting it will kill him as he is a god that will remain and rebuild it. Still not getting that he is [i]a literal God[/i] that cannot die from anything. Also a thought is all it takes, speed does not matter as flash could revert time back to the Stone Age then explode into dust
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Show me a single feat showing universal durability on Manhatten's account. If he doesn't have feats then he can't survive. Also he wouldn't have time for a single thought. Thinking is not instant, the flash is and has been faster than thought for a long time. Even if thought was instant, the flash would still restart universe before Dr can think, as he is faster than instant
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It's already been established that restarting the universe wouldn't do shit to Manhattan
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He won't listen to anything. Manhattan is increasing in people's answers but he just says it's been countered
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How is the flash able to restart the universe?
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I don't know. I think it's bs, but whatever.
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No it hasnt, as it hasn't happened to manhatten before, without feats, you can't say it happens. The problem with manhatten is that in his own comic he is the only powered one, so he doesn't have any extreme feats, that even low powered characters in other universes have. If he doesn't have a feat to show he can, then we can't say he can
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Your argument is like saying Hitler can beat a UFC fighter because he conquered Europe for the most part. Every time you get countered you pull this shit in an effort to just deny everything and the facts we provide you about Manhattan's abilities. There's a reason why you are getting flooded with the answer of Dr. Manhattan, it's because we found someone to beat your Flash. Exposing a loophole in your logic and using it against you also opens the possibilities for people like Spawn to jump in this. Face it man, Flash cannot eliminate what can't be killed Manhattan is the first god character to come up that abides by your rules and fully abuses the ever living hell out of your shite logic. You've lost, face it
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[quote]Your argument is like saying Hitler can beat a UFC fighter because he conquered Europe for the most part. Every time you get countered you pull this shit in an effort to just deny everything and the facts we provide you about Manhattan's abilities. There's a reason why you are getting flooded with the answer of Dr. Manhattan, it's because we found someone to beat your Flash. Exposing a loophole in your logic and using it against you also opens the possibilities for people like Spawn to jump in this. Face it man, Flash cannot eliminate what can't be killed Manhattan is the first god character to come up that abides by your rules and fully abuses the ever living hell out of your shite logic. You've lost, face it[/quote] That's not what I'm saying in the slightest. I'm saying a nuclear bomb can defeat a tank as the bomb destroys cities. That's what I am saying. I get countered every time, because I only counter one thing at a time, not come up with every possible outcome at once. Sure you provide facts, but using a wiki article for characters powers doesn't matter if he doesn't have feats. Without feats to back it up, then it doesn't happen, simple as that. Manhatten can be killed as he is not an idea but actually exists. Unless you have a single feat showing manhatten able to do damage to someone who can reset the entire universe before anything can instantly happens, then by all means show me, but until then, manhatten cant.
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[quote]Manhatten can be killed as he is not an idea but actually exists.[/quote] You're still not getting the idea that Manhattan cannot die. Whatsoever, in any way. Also prepare your ass as its about to be -blam!-ed in this. In your op you stated that this was DC's physics and a part of that is the speed force. What the flash(I'd assume Barry here) uses for everything and this fight in general. Dr. Manhattan manipulates and controls matter and energy. Wait just one jolly wally second, did I just say energy? And the speed force..what is made purely of? Energy. With that new knowledge I have, Dr Manhattan can manipulate the speed force into it being useless for poor poor Barry. He's just the basic little flash now that is stuck against a god that is about to Vaporize every single atom in his body destroying him. This. This is how The Flash died.
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[quote][quote]Manhatten can be killed as he is not an idea but actually exists.[/quote] You're still not getting the idea that Manhattan cannot die. Whatsoever, in any way. --------------- He can cease to exist on a conceptual level. Not death, non existance. --------------- Also prepare your ass as its about to be -blam!-ed in this. In your op you stated that this was DC's physics and a part of that is the speed force. What the flash(I'd assume Barry here) uses for everything and this fight in general. Dr. Manhattan manipulates and controls matter and energy. -------------- This is wally, he is faster. -------------- Wait just one jolly wally second, did I just say energy? And the speed force..what is made purely of? Energy. With that new knowledge I have, Dr Manhattan can manipulate the speed force into it being useless for poor poor Barry. He's just the basic little flash now that is stuck against a god that is about to Vaporize every single atom in his body destroying him. --------------- The speed force is all kinetic energy. Manipulating it would make everything cease to exist and result in a stalemate. And before you say cut the flash off from the speed force not manipulate it. The speed force is generate from the flash so cutting him off, destroys it. --------------- This. This is how The Flash died.[/quote] Above
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[quote]The speed force is all kinetic energy. Manipulating it would make everything cease to exist and result in a stalemate. And before you say cut the flash off from the speed force not manipulate it. The speed force is generate from the flash so cutting him off, destroys it.[/quote] It's not all kinetic energy as its only available to the speedsters of DC. Also Wally can generate it but the Speed Force has its own dimension similar to Valhalla that is made up of pure electric energy. That is where he pulls it from after all that was created due to Barry. Not sure if you're helping me out here but since cutting him off from the speed force makes any universal restarts or his ridiculous speed null and void. I'd still say Wally's inevitable vaporization is approaching.
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The problem is that the flash is faster than instant (I know it is a little bullshit) but he would still be able to do restart the universe before the actually cut off from speed force takes effect. So after restarting universe. He could then run to earth in the future all before the cut off takes place, allowing him to live happily ever after without powers.
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[quote]The problem is that the flash is faster than instant (I know it is a little bullshit) but he would still be able to do restart the universe before the actually cut off from speed force takes effect. So after restarting universe. He could then run to earth in the future all before the cut off takes place, allowing him to live happily ever after without powers.[/quote] But you still have Manhattan left sitting in space. As you had even said he can cease to exist on a conceptual level. If he is destroyed physically he then reassembles himself with his atoms as someone had pointed out. Energy is never destroyed only changed to a different form. Also with the chance of being able to manipulate the speed force into his favor, Manhattan could use it against Wally and increase his own speed. Not that he would need to but yeah.
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Without the universe, there is no atoms are energy to create yourself back from. The reason that is aid he can cease to exist on a conceptual level is that when flash did this the first time, he was able to beat someone who can never die and come back from anything, similar to manhatten. He defeated death itself, by doing this. And when the big bang happened again, the flash didn't die as death no longer exists to allow him to die.
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[quote]Without the universe, there is no atoms are energy to create yourself back from. The reason that is aid he can cease to exist on a conceptual level is that when flash did this the first time, he was able to beat someone who can never die and come back from anything, similar to manhatten. He defeated death itself, by doing this. And when the big bang happened again, the flash didn't die as death no longer exists to allow him to die.[/quote] If. If he does die. Now when you say instant. The universe is absolutely humongous and is ever growing, you. Dexter Grif are saying that Flash can just instantly restart it..in an instant. No offense but that's a hyperbole if I've ever heard one. Now with that being said, Manhattan can theoretically start another Big Bang. As another user had mentioned. Also the instant the universe starts up, there are atoms and matter all around. Especially since energy is never destroyed only changed to a new form. Poof! All the magical scientific bs of Dr Manhattan returns. And is death an entity like it is in marvel or no? I don't see how flash wouldn't die after such an event
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It was death the concept with a body. The way I mean instant is that since flash is faster than instant he can do it an infinite number of times before anything moves in the slightest. There is no manhatten conscious left to recreate himself from as he no longer exists at all
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He resides in the 4th dimension. He presents a physical form of himself for us. Sorta like a hologram but not in a way. Again that is if restarting the universe removes that form of himself anyways. If not then, like I said before, he won't take long to visit Wally
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The 4th dimension is still a construct within our universal bounds. We just can't perceive it. The same way shrimp see much more colors, just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. So I assume it would destroy that form.
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Again if it can destroy him, which is the question that is honestly preventing a definitive answer for either lol. A question, can flash's speed be measured even with the current state he is in now?
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Yep, I guess it is either a win or a loss depending on the nature of the 4th dimension. And what do you mean by the state he is in.
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Just like how fast the flash is in. Can his speed still be measured. I've done a bit more digging into Manhattan and found something that could steer this fight in his direction
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His speed is technically infinite and can't be measured, as it is faster than infinite speed (teleporting)
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Well I don't know if this means a possible stalemate or a win but Dr Manhattan's thought processing is at infinitesimal speed. Meaning it cannot be measured in any way possible and as the name states, faster than infinity and faster than an instant. Now like I said I'm unsure whether this would cancel the two out or assist Manhattan in stripping the speed force from Wally and gaining the win but yeah
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I mean all that means is that they have the same ability to perceive information. They both have infinite perception, but infinitesimal doesnt mean faster than instant just very fast. So I think it still depends on what the 4th dimension is bound to
