Leveling from 300 to 400 with +3 rewards at max score was horrible. Took way to long. And showed Zero respect for the time of your players. How you thought making the grind worse for players in Ash & Iron was in any way a good idea. Whoever thought that, should be fired.
Forcing players to only get +2 rewards for 400 to 450. Then only +1 from 450 to 550. At max score. Is the worst hell I could imagine. Oh but don't worry. After 2 and half days of their player base screaming at them for this. Bungie decided to increase the rewards. For 450 to 500 only. From a +1 to a +2. That's it. That's the big "Fix" to this problem we've been screaming at them about for the past couple of days. That's not a fix. That's pretending to do something to make your players shut up. I'm not putting up with it.
Bungie made it sound like the grind from 400 to 500 light would be just like the grind from 300 to 400 light. Which was/is +3 rewards. Which is already horrible to grind through. Then they pulled this. Straight up lying to us. I'm done with it.
Heres what the light level rewards [i]Should[/i] be. At the [b]Bare[/b] Minimum.
A+: +5
A: +4
B+: +3
B: +2
C+/C: +1
Primes: +2 or +3 more than reward rank bonus.
Anything less is an insult to the players. To their intelligence. To their time. Your just spitting on your player base's loyalty at this point.
The increases in number of rewards for multiplayer activity is at least [b]Something[/b]. So players don't have to spent 300 hours grinding solo ops just to [i]start[/i] earning T5 gear. But spending 300 hours playing Strikes over and over. Isn't much better.
The fact that all the playlists stop at Master level. And so [b]can't[/b] be used to grind past 400 light. Is terrible design. You wanted variety for your 200 hour grind after hitting 400? Lol. Nope. You only get 3 activities a day with match making. Go run them for 20 hours straight. Why do this to us? Why not just have one playlist where we can change the difficulty level. Instead of four playlists at set difficulty levels? Madness.
Adding a bunch of new stuff to fire team ops was great. But it still feels like there is basically nothing to do in fire team ops. Why? Because on any given day. Your restricted to only [b]3[/b] different activities on there. Which makes it feel like there is no content in the portal to enjoy at all.
The old Strike playlist was miles, [b]miles[/b] better than this. I remember loading in and running strikes back to back in the playlist to grind out light levels in the past. That was a hundred times more fun than trying to level grind in the portal now. The complete lack of playlists is a huge part of that. But the terrible rewards are the other huge part of it. The "rewards" just don't justify putting yourself through those negative modifiers.
I had stopped playing Destiny 2 after the witch queen. Because so much of the game felt tuned against letting me play how I wanted too. I couldn't even get my hands on a decent bow, my favorite weapon, that wasn't sunsetted. I came back to check out how Destiny 2 had changed since then. Figuring that I'd at least give it a chance if I could use bows again. Only to be met with this utter mess.
It really feels like I shouldn't have bothered returning to this game.
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2 Replieseven previous twabs said the grind was going to be a little easier lol They really have no clue what to do with this game and its embarrassing. im guessing they are hoping that the player base just moves on to Marathon lol
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Why can't we buy power? This grind is very anti consumer and it's 2025! Is it ever going to change?
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So is the game.
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Look at all the options now though!! You can buy the next expansion, dungeon keys, season pass and buy skipping ranks, shaders, ships, ghost, projections, weapon ornaments, armour transmog, old season passes, earn the right to buy raid jackets, event pass ranks, campaign skips, and 16 pieces of premium dlc. If only we buy more Bungie would make the game the best it can be
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Notice how they never mentioned base light levels for drops? Or that the max range is only for portal activities? Or once beloved activities missing? It is almost like they want to show they care by doing the absolute minimum. At least marketing is doing a good job hiding internal issues. Could Sony have caught wind of garbage business plans? One can only hope.
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It's a weird situation where I belive that the players who play the most and level up the most deserve the better rewards, but it's also disheartening to see people throw trials matches and still get tier 5 loot
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7 RepliesEdited by PK_Haseo: 9/11/2025 11:15:21 PM…It’s SONY fault really. The OG Bungie staff are pretty much gone. Let’s remember they had 220 (2024) layoff a few years ago (and 2023 also had 100 layoff).
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6 RepliesThey keep trying tiptoe up to see where the line is where they stop bleeding players. Absolutely disgustingly greedy behavior from this studio.
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2 RepliesI'm not defending Bungie with being at max level? I understand the tier 5s are a thing but it seems unnecessary when you're just getting an alternate paint job and some minor boosts when T3 is literally doing everything that a T5 does without the misery... Yes it's prestigious to have the t5s but being at max level and under a month seems I don't know I think people got their priorities mixed up on some stuff... Personally if they just adjust the scoring to where it's not so bad to complete the missions and get the gear and nix the timers it would resolve the problem more than getting the max level in 10 minutes cuz as soon as you run out of content to play you're going to start complaining about that it was too easy communities full of hypocrites
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3 RepliesYes it was. And still is. Bungie will never learn until the playerbase tanks. At this point I think it’s inevitable. I also don’t think it’s recoverable. You really did pick the worse time to get back into Destiny 2. I’ll apologise to you on behalf of the community and the cowards at the company. Sorry mate 😔.
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1 ReplyI've never commented in these forums before. After reaching 400 before Ash and Iron I felt the climb was daunting and quite frankly boring. With the new update I was hoping they would fix fireteam where we could choose more than 3 options. The grind, the lack of rewards, the lack of new gear and quite frankly the lack of content after completing the new campaign led me to finally quitting the game. As I tell my friends and colleagues - vote with your wallet. It is the only way to make big companies see your dissatisfaction.
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1 ReplyWhat Bungie has done is create a MIDDLE CAP, someone else can have a better name I am sure.... You have the soft cap at 200 that nets you +3 until 450 then you reach the, [i]Middle cap[/i], 450 to 500 that nets you a +2 then you have the pinnacle grind or max cap from 500 to 550 that nets you a +1 Was this "middle cap" in the EoF as well? The other issue I have is what they said in the 9/4 TWID : [quote]Note that with the launch of Ash & Iron, the Power climb from 400 to 500 will be [b]naturally accelerated[/b] by the Power cap increasing to 550.[/quote] This is not my personal definition of [i]Naturally Accelerated[/i]
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2 RepliesIt was an insult, no question. Talk about putting one's hand on the hot pipe again and again, despite what its doing to the skin!
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2 RepliesFunny how y'all are "insulted" yet continue to partake in their asinine game.
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5 RepliesI’m convinced that it’s a controlled implosion. Think about it. It’s not like they aren’t capable of making great content - they just don’t want to anymore. The game is VERY old, the game engine is even OLDER, and not the cash cow it once was.
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2 RepliesThis old tortoise does not feel ‘insulted’ in any way at all by the latest TWID-TWAB from BHQ. To feel ‘insulted’ is giving it just too much (unintended, possibly) energy, imho. I read it as a ‘Mea Culpa’ (…aka ‘we have done wrong’) moment, more than anything else. I wholeheartedly agree that there’s way too much Neomuna Overtuna in the game - and that it’s simply not fun to grind at the current rates. So, I don’t! 👈 What happens inside the boardroom and conference rooms at BHQ simply boggles the mind of the greater majority of reasonable Guardians?! It’s been one continuous and ongoing cluster-fork since D1Y1. How a corporate giant like Sony invested those alleged billions in acquiring a first class lemon 🍋- especially given BHQs track record, of avarice, greed, incompetence and hubris - remains a mystery?! Most SMEs would bend over backwards to have a loyal customer base that Destiny enjoys. Furthermore, they would also do everything possible to keep those customers happy! That’s Business 101, folks. 👈👈 Whoever really has their hands on Destiny’s controls, needs to make some major ‘course corrections’ before the inevitable occurs… Or, maybe, the current course is the intended course?! 🧐 Personally, I don’t want Destiny to self-destruct…however, if that’s inevitable - I shall find a different amusement to occupy my time. 🤔 Murphy, my ghost, is coming, too! 👻😉 That is all. Ease Springs! 🖖
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How does this game get consistently worse with every iteration. I feel like it’s not unclear how to have a fun engaging game
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This is a nice novel you wrote here. Be a shame if we just... ignored you completely. 😬 -Bungie
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if you got a j*b you wouldn't have this issue, just dont get to max power
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3 RepliesAfter grinding to 450 last season I quit. Playing borderlands 4 now.
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I’m with you dude Time for a LONG LONG LONG Borderlands break from Destiny - GO EAT A FAT ONE BUNGO
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Amen, guardian! I agree with everything you said 1000%. Thank you for making this post; it's unbelievably sad that it will likely fall on deaf ears. Abundantly clear at this point that Bungie no longer has a soul and no longer cares about its customers. What a sad time to be a guardian. I literally purchased 3 games last night and pre-ordered several more...I honestly hope the entire player base (25k?) stops playing the game.
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Yeah but Trials lobby balancing is disabled. That’s all that matters.
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3 RepliesHonest question what content cant you do at 450 vs 500 550? Master dungeons? i only play a little now just for time kill. But i used to play D1 daily and i understood that power grind. This grind seems stoopid as hell
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Time to log off.
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3 RepliesDeleted Destiny 2 for Borderlands 4. BL4 also only takes up 28 GB, so I can install other games as well. Bungie out here committing business unaliving.