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Edited by Oftly:
7/9/2016 7:25:49 PM
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PRIMARY BURNS WERE REMOVED LAST MINUTE.
The original KF Hard raid was going to have random burns on primaries, but Bungie removed them at the last minute.
Evidence for this?
Artifiacts.
Seriously, Solar Precision kills to generate Orbs of Light? Only 2 weapon types can even accomplish that.
(Snipers and Heavy Machineguns. Shotguns can, but are unlikely to get precision kills and Sleeper Simulant is an outlier)
I am 80% sure I'm right about this.
Edit 1: Sidearms can do precision kills. I don't use them so I forgot they existed.
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#Destiny
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I doubt they intended it to rain orbs
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Edited by BRAX7ON 117: 7/9/2016 9:17:01 PMYou're reaching
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1 ReplyActually i think your wrong on this. If primaries had burn and you combined them with artifacts, then it would be raining orbs and people would have supers availiable all the time. I don't think that is how they want it to be
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1 ReplyLuke Smith! Wanting people to play the game how he wanted it since he took over.
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This totally makes sense, could never figure out why half of the Artifacts were so useless/limited to HMG's and Sidearms. The melee for orbs ones suck too, but man, at least melee builds exist to some level. Does anyone remember the guy who leaked the idea of Artifacts, and he said they would really change gameplay? That's because they probably actually spawned meaningful amounts of orbs before, but they had to change the overall rate so that the melee and grenade orb spawning Artifacts didn't spawn many more orbs than the Precision Kill artifacts, as there wasn't enough elemental precision damage left without the Raid Primaries. Finally, a sensible explanation to why Artifacts are so useless! Always found it really weird to be honest, I guess there had to be a new "look how useless this is" slot in Year 2 like how the Ghost was in Year 1. Also, man, I don't know anyone who likes the Taken King Raid weapons. Like, there were some VoG and CoE weapons that got flak, but even those were hella useful at the right time. I see Atheon's Epilogue references as a way people got through the original Thorn exotic quest line with Void weapon kills all the time, and while it will never get the recognition of Black Hammer, Praedyth's Timepiece had a very interesting archetype and was much loved until the great unleveling. As someone who doesn't Raid, I'd rather have the Raid weapons be great regardless. It's like, if you've got a Doctrine of Passing with counterbalance, it's not because you're a scrub who needs it to carry yourself, it's because you've dealt with the laggy crapstorm that is Bungie's net code in Trials. You deserve a reward that actually matters. -blam!-, the only Raid Weapons that is generally liked from King's Fall (Kill'ems Terimnus) got nerfed. Gah, at least I didn't spend hours on LFG sites in Year 1 to drop Fatebringer a week before they announced Year 1 was being left behind. Man do I not want to socialize or get sworn at for loot drops. That's the only regret I have with Destiny, can't believe I'm monetarily supporting a AAA game from Bungie and Activision too lazy to put up a LFG board in game. Fine, you think Matchmaking would be a mess. Too hard for people to communicate? Then have a toggle option where the Ghost tells you what the hell to do. Yes, I said it. You could actually have the voice actors you pay money to voice a floating robot, actually voice the robot in the endgame content to tell the player what's going on. Heyyyyyy, put on subtitles, and BOOM, now deaf people can Raid too without spinning around all the time because they can't hear callouts! Unless you don't like being inclusive. Uggggggggggggggh been waiting to make a dig that honest and snarky ever since they fired Marty.
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Get that tin foil off your noggin!
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4 RepliesLmao. Is this a legit post?
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7 RepliesIn one of the ttk trailers the no time to explain had arc burn.
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1 ReplyOrbs from Primary kills sounds a bit broken.....
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1 ReplyIt's almost as ridiculous as the blue fusion rifles that could roll with firefly, maybe fusion rifles could do precision shots too lol.
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Unless it specifies the precision kills, imagine generating orbs in PVP on precision kills. Supers for days
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24 RepliesEdited by SpakulatorX: 7/8/2016 9:12:55 AMThere is a 77.7% chance your a fool
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Haven't tried this out myself but canthe arc presision kill artifact generate orbs when using the zhalo supercell?
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Probably left over from ideas of more exotic primaries having burns
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The orbs from artifacts are all for things that only happen occasionally, like getting specific kinds of melee kills. It makes sense that they'd be meant just for specials and heavies. I get what you're saying, but I don't think it proves anything.
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1 ReplyYour evidence is based on artifacts that reward orbs for precision kills.. That's not evidence, if anything it supports the removal of primary burns, because if they still existed then the artifact would make you an orb factory, where as now the precision kills from special/heavy weapons makes it on par with the the melee/grenade perk.
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Actually if you took time to think about it you would realize that the reason those artifacts exist and have that perk is because a special weapon kill is roughly equivalent to a grenade or melee in terms of value to the player
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1 Replyyou can use the "arc precision kills have a chance to generate orbs" with the zhalo and you will be lucky to generate even 2 orbs in one strike
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If you have the subclass equipped, you create orbs. I get precision shots with my down and doubt , and I produce an orb. No precision shot, no orb.
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If you have the subclass equipped, you create orbs. I get precision shots with my down and doubt , and I produce an orb. No precision shot, no orb.
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Edited by GREYBUSH702: 7/9/2016 12:57:38 AMThey gave us chroma slots, when they could've given burn slots.
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Yes they were! I remember reviewing the gear from all the data mining!!! Elemental burn was the only thing that would have made raid primaries worth a shit!!!
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No . . . if perks like that were meant for primaries then everyone would have their supers all the time with that many orbs.
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3 RepliesThe evidence is a bit weak tbh, but I honestly think the decision to remove elemental primaries came after their statistical analysis of HoW. During HoW, they gave us random elemental primary burns as a reward for Skolas. The problem is, nobody used them over VoG or CE weapons. Why? because they were garbage. They all included random "shank burn, dreg burn, or vandal burn" or something to that degree. None of those perks were very useful, so there was no point in using those weapons over the old raid weapons. Obviously, this irked Bungie, but I believe it was part of their test. The results allowed them to say "AHA! People are using weapons because of perks, not because of burns. Therefore, we will remove the burns and it will work out great. Insert argument about increased diversity." Of course, what they DON'T get is that we really enjoyed the burn, but we want guns with a combination of good perks PLUS the burns. The burn alone is not enough when the rest of the perks are crappy. This MAY actually be a decent argument for eliminating the burns, except that they forgot that we refuse to use crappy perks. And Y2 is FULL of really crappy perks. Even some Y1 perks are crappy compared to how they used to work in Y2. Does anyone honestly use fieldscout anymore? Of course, I think the real answer to all of this is to just let us infuse our kinetic weapons with an elemental burn of our choice. But it makes WAY too much sense for Luke "Asshat" Smith to accept.
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Theory is 0/8 bad evidence.
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The evidence is weak however you're not wrong about them being removed last minute. On one of the taken king trailers it was shown that some exotics had burns. One of them was no time to explain and it has arc burn.
