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Edited by JOKERMAN:
4/25/2016 10:52:13 AM
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You can easily argue that there is far less variety after elemental primaries were removed.
Think about it, people in year 1 mostly used
Fatebringer: arc
VoC: solar
Vex mythoclast: solar
Atheons epilogue:void
Praeydeths timepiece: arc
Fang of ir yut: arc
Word of crota: void
Abyss defiant: solar
Oversoul edict: arc
Necrochasm: arc
And thats [u]just[/u] raid [u]primary[/u] weapons now even other great primaries secondaries and combo weapons(fb, bh, and ghorn)
Now in year 2...
Hung jury
Hawksaw (mainly pvp)
Doctrine of passing (mainly pvp)
Touch of malice
Zhallo supercell- which the only reason im counting it is because it has the arc element. Seriously without arc what would would it be for?
Imago loop- which i dont count because it's just fatebringer without the arc...
And what's your secondary ldr, black spindle or 1kys? Maybe telesto?
And your heavy? Pretty much boils down to which sword you want to use or quillums terminus...
The point is, when you beat the raid you are [i]supposed[/i] to feel like you have done it all. Like you have become legend.
I think they were taken out to inflate the difficulty of other endgame content without putting in any extra work. Its just more tedious now and the lack of feeling like you beat the hardest and you got a great weapon. Now you just feel like you got more infuse fuel for guns that are less boring than the kf guns.
Edit: sheep are grazing....
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1 ReplyI can easily argue that your butthole is bigger than the traveler.
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3 RepliesWhat are you on about OP, no one used Abyss Defiant or Necrocahsm in year 1 lmao but you're right I swear I only ever see Hung Jury or Zhalo Supercell in PvE
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1 ReplyScout rifles in general are the only thing being used in pve.
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Edited by Doctor Electric: 4/26/2016 5:06:07 AMGame Theory: If provided with a means of accomplishing any task universally, the player will use that item and/or favor that item under any circumstances. I don't know why I typed that in there or what you plan to do with this information. [spoiler]I'm a neutral party on this btw. Elemental primaries are good in moderation, but the rate they used to drop in VoG was gross, it needs to be a rare thing to add that extra, zesty specialness to it, but not so rare that it feels like another grind. My thoughts on the matter though[/spoiler]
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14 RepliesYou can easily argue that the sky is purple. It doesn't make it true though.
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4 RepliesI actually hate all primary weapons rn I'm literally struggling to find one I enjoy
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I miss edict and word.
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3 RepliesEdited by TrulyDontCare: 4/25/2016 9:19:28 PM[quote]Edit: sheep are grazing....[/quote] I was going to get into this discussion, but not after that. Any time somebody disagrees with somebody else they start saying shit about them being sheep. That's not an argument. That's just a way to avoid avoid logic and tell others you think anybody who doesn't think like you is stupid, which actually makes you more close minded than them, regardless of what they're saying.
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2 RepliesThey should make Kings Fall hard mode primaries have burns. Then when you infuse them into another legendaries the burn is transferred as well as the damage.
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1 ReplyNot really. It was Fatebringer, VoC Atheon Epilogue during Vanilla Abyss, Fang, Word during DB Fatebringer, VoC, Word during HoW
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5 RepliesI usually don't agree with jokerman's Bungie bashing but this one is dead on. I mostly run with hung jury or the supercell haha! Bumpity bump and SOUP for you Jokerman!!
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Only 4 of those are actually used
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5 RepliesSo... What you're really saying here is... You're going to start your ama?
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6 RepliesPrimaries I used to run: Fatebringer (98% of the time) Bird of Crota (1% Void burn nightfall) Vision of Confluence (1% solar burn nightfall) Primaries I run now: Zhalo Supercell Touch of Malice Judith-D Ace of spades Warlock exotic primary I can't think of the name of Bad Juju Smite of Merain Sooo over double the primaries I used in year 1. I'd be willing to count Judith-D and Ace of spades as 1 since I'd use ace of spades on every character if I could. In Y1 I NEVER unequipped my gjallarhorn, so having a variety of swords and good machine guns to use is considerably better variety. Specials are the only slot that's a little worse, in Y1 it was black hammer or a shotgun, in Y2 it's always a sniper rifle due to the rediculous pve shotgun nerfs. All the stuff above is only considering pve, pvp is a whole other subject.
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This has been posted before, but their excuse for killing off elemental primaries is BS, especially at this point in Destiny 1's life. It can all be fixed by [b][i]implementing a material that enables you to infuse an elemental damage type into any weapon[/i][/b]! Too easy, I know.
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1 ReplyBump. Fight me
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What about the Red Spectre? Or Eyasluna? Or all my armsday guns? What about the near-infinite rolls you could get on guns that may be to my liking? Year One forced players into using elementals or VoG guns because they're easily accessible and tremendously powerful. Like the reason people were using Hawksaw and Hung Jury, they're powerful and easily accessible. In Year One, if you wanted Arc damage, you had 1 of 4 options, (Not Necrochasm, that was shit, and you were using GHorn anyway.) If you wanted Solar, you were using Vision of Confluence. Abyss Defiant was crap because autorifles were crap, and you weren't using Mythoclast because Ghorn. If you wanted Void, you were using Word of Crota, again because autorifles were shit. Even if all the elemental guns were good, you're still left with only 10 guns, 8 if you don't count Exotics. 10 primaries in the entire game. That's not a lot of variety. With the whole armsday packages, you get more variety than ever. Tons of different rolls that you can pick and choose to your liking.
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Really raid weapons really suck :/... Got the feeling each raid decreases the value of the weapons lol... Vog all great weapons, crota not so great, But still very usefull, fang of ir yut was one of the Best scouts out there, blackhammer Best sniper for bosses, and hunger of crota, gjallarhorn substitute... Now, what do we have? A ok sniper, and the really good weapon nerfed in ammo (terminus)
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I think the real concern here is how useless kinetic is as an "element" If they had done a simple damage re-balance (like say kinetic weapons do 10% more dmg in pve) then they could've easily left elemental primaries in. Some people would pack their solar scouts for scary wizards and taken captains, while others would truck with their kinetic weapons. Could've also opened up the possibility for kinetic special and heavy weapons being interesting or sought after by some. But this would be a careful thing to consider, maybe it would be too unbalanced?
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Edited by Cowboybebop: 4/25/2016 7:44:21 PMYou're baiting right? Year 1: Fate bringer, Black hammer, Ghorn. Year 2: Any primary that has a good roll, Any secondary that has a good roll/ Black spindle, any heavy that has a good roll/ Any sword.
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5 RepliesFalse year 2 is much more varied than year 1
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BUUUUUMP
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4 RepliesYay. Another troll post by Joker that is easily argued against! 90% of the primaries you listed were never used in year 1.
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Edited by lYlasterBlazor1: 4/25/2016 7:09:48 PMThe over shields aren't the same as they were in year 1. You can take a year 2 shield down pretty fast these days with just kinetic weapons. Plus we are way way way over leveled in these strikes and nightfalls. Even the raid. I feel like a god now when I run shit.
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There's no more excitement in raid weapons like there was in year one. F@wk yeah they were op but I rather work around that fact rather than eliminating them all together from year two as a result primaries feel generic and that feeling has lost its luster.
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7 RepliesEdited by Sideswipe: 4/25/2016 6:35:21 PMSo you pretty much just listed the raid primaries and called it a day? Why didn't you go into the secondaries and heavies - because there was no variety in those. It was either IB/BH or Gally/HoC. As far as the primaries, let take a look at the variety and how it really breaks down: [quote]Think about it, people in year 1 mostly used Fatebringer: arc VoC: solar[/quote] These are two most popular. If you were a HC or Scout user and had either, you used cause it awesome and only switched when it was non-solar NF [quote]Vex mythoclast: solar[/quote] They used this for about a week until the nerf hammer came out. After that it was used long enough to level up or until they figured out how bad it was post-nerf. [quote]Atheons epilogue:void Abyss defiant: solar[/quote] These weren't used hardly at all post AR nerf. Only use was NF if you had no other primaries with that burn. [quote]Praeydeths timepiece: arc Fang of ir yut: arc Word of crota: void Oversoul edict: arc[/quote] These were the weapon's of choice only if you either didn't have VoC or FB and/or NF burn required them. [quote]Necrochasm: arc[/quote] Who used this post AR nerf or even pre-AR nerf? [quote]And thats [u]just[/u] raid [u]primary[/u] weapons now even other great primaries secondaries and combo weapons(fb, bh, and ghorn)[/quote] As I mentioned earlier you pretty much just listed the raid primaries and called it a day. But I will say this though, even the baby brother weapons - Word of Crota, Fang, et al - were still better than most of the Y2 versions. [quote]And what's your secondary ldr, black spindle or 1kys? Maybe telesto?[/quote] What was your secondary in Y1? It was either icebreaker or blackhammer. And if you didn't have one of those it was LDR or Praeydeths Revenge. [quote]And your heavy? Pretty much boils down to which sword you want to use or quillums terminus...[/quote] For heavy, it pretty much boiled down to Gally or Hunger of Crota. If you were LMG user, then it was Corrective Measure or Thunderlord.[/quote] Sure you can easily argue about weapon variety, but it's a fruitless one when you really look at it. There wasn't as much as you think. Diversity between Y1 and Y2 hasn't so much as increased, but shifted.
