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3/29/2016 5:35:15 AM
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One is liquid poison and kills thousands and thousands each year, the other is a plant, literally impossible to OD on and expands your mind.... I support the free choice to put whatever psychoactive substances into your own body that you want, but on this matter it seems a pretty easy choice to me.
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Psychoactive drug that causes hallucinations and psychotic breaks in some. That adds to lung cancer. That does irreversible damage to short term memory. I like how you cherry picked certain points about alcohol and left out the negatives of weed.
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You are the definition of a troll..spending hours arguing with...most likely teenagers...
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And I like how your only arguments about weed are old, tired, disproven government propaganda that modern science mocks. By any measure alcohol is a much harder drug than weed is, and the only person you're convincing with your argument is yourself.
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7. Report 3 of the Council on Science and Public Health (I-09). Use of cannabis for medicinal Purposes (Resolutions 910, I-08; 921, I-08; and 229, A-09) (Reference Committee K). American Medical Association, 2009. http://www.ama-assn.org//resources/doc/csaph/i09csaph3ft.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 3. General Purpose Standing Committee No. 4. The use of cannabis for medical purposes (Report 27). Sydney: NSW Parliament, May 2013. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/fdb7842 246a5ab71ca257b6c0002f09b/$FILE/Final%20Report%20-%20The%20use%20of%20cannnabis%20 for%20medical%20purposes.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 8. Pertwee RG. Targeting the endocannabinoid system with cannabinoid receptor agonists: pharmacological strategies and therapeutic possibilities. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci 2012; 367: 3353-3363. 9. Cohen PJ. Medical marijuana: the conflict between scientific evidence and political ideology. J Pain Palliat Care Pharmacother 2009; 23(1): 4-25, 23(2): 120-140. 10. Grotenhermen F, Müller-Vahl K. The therapeutic potential of cannabis and cannabinoids. Dtsch Arztebl Int 2012; 109: 495-501. Here you have peer reviewers and published medical journal articles from Te US, Britain, Australia, and Germany. I can get more if you like, all of whom will state medical science says you are an idiot. Pay attention to the article about the conflict between medical science and political ideology. Your IDEOLOGIES are not supported, and are in fact disproved by medical science. Yep, science bitch.
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Edited by Diver2441: 3/29/2016 4:51:44 PMAnd yet somehow you provide no actual sources, from historically heavily heavily biased source. If you want good, scientifically sound research that wasn't planned to show cannabis as harmful from the start, as the vast majority of government funded studies have been, and yet somehow the government of the United States holds patents for weeds anti cancer properties.... Clearly must be a terrible carcinogen with [url=http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/howard20150829]no health benefits[/url] Not to mention that the Nixon administration admitted that the entire war on drugs was done to criminalize those who were black or against the war in Vietnam so their communities could be disrupted. You have no ground, scientific, moral or otherwise for the government "kook aid" prohibition stance that ignores clear and apparent medical value in one of the oldest used medicinal plants in the world
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It's clear you've never smoked weed before.
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I have actually. I am also rather well educated and experienced in the medical field. I will now supply you with sources straight from medical journals that I am supplying to shut down uneducated plebs like yourself who in fact have no idea what they are talking about... Enjoy... [quote]7. Report 3 of the Council on Science and Public Health (I-09). Use of cannabis for medicinal Purposes (Resolutions 910, I-08; 921, I-08; and 229, A-09) (Reference Committee K). American Medical Association, 2009. http://www.ama-assn.org//resources/doc/csaph/i09csaph3ft.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 3. General Purpose Standing Committee No. 4. The use of cannabis for medical purposes (Report 27). Sydney: NSW Parliament, May 2013. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/fdb7842 246a5ab71ca257b6c0002f09b/$FILE/Final%20Report%20-%20The%20use%20of%20cannnabis%20 for%20medical%20purposes.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 8. Pertwee RG. Targeting the endocannabinoid system with cannabinoid receptor agonists: pharmacological strategies and therapeutic possibilities. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci 2012; 367: 3353-3363. 9. Cohen PJ. Medical marijuana: the conflict between scientific evidence and political ideology. J Pain Palliat Care Pharmacother 2009; 23(1): 4-25, 23(2): 120-140. 10. Grotenhermen F, Müller-Vahl K. The therapeutic potential of cannabis and cannabinoids. Dtsch Arztebl Int 2012; 109: 495-501. Here you have peer reviewers and published medical journal articles from Te US, Britain, Australia, and Germany. I can get more if you like, all of whom will state medical science says you are an idiot. Pay attention to the article about the conflict between medical science and political ideology. Your IDEOLOGIES are not supported, and are in fact disproved by medical science. Yep, science bitch.[/quote]
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I wish the links actually worked.
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Temporary* you're just an uneducated propaganda machine aren't you?
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Temporary or not alcohol does not have this effect. It's not my fault you come from a society with a weak stance on drugs.
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He says while vehemently defending a dangerous drug...
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I'm not defending either.
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No, it's not like alcoholism doesn't destroy your body and mind, does it? Lmfao you're so stupid, please don't reproduce. Neither things have effected you personally so you get on the forums to preach your social justice warrior propaganda on everyone for attention. I'm sorry that your life is so dull that this is what your reduced too.
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Social justice warrior? No. Tertiary education. Medical training and experience. Years of working in a private medical practice. Not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic. Those people have a predisposition to it. Just like those who have psychotic breaks, hallucinations, etc, from weed have a predisposition to that. You obviously have no idea the process of how a substance is deemed safe/legal for recreational use. If you did you would understand why alcohol is deemed safe and weed is not. But then again you claim you are smarter than medical journals, so obviously you have gone full potato.
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Edited by TheRZAector: 3/29/2016 4:25:11 PMAlready addressed the fact your links don't work but if you believe that weed is illegal today because of the side effects than your blind. Marijuana is illegal today because of the government regulating what they want. Did you know your founding fathers had hemp farms?
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[quote]Psychosis. Marijuana exacerbates psychotic symptoms and worsens outcomes in patients already diagnosed with schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders. Several large observational studies also strongly suggest that using marijuana — particularly in the early teenage years — can increase risk of developing psychosis. An often-cited study of more than 50,000 young Swedish soldiers, for example, found that those who had smoked marijuana at least once were more than twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as those who had not smoked marijuana. The heaviest users (who said they had used the drug more than 50 times) were six times as likely to develop schizophrenia as the nonsmokers. Until recently, the consensus view was that this reflected selection bias: Individuals who were already vulnerable to developing psychosis or in the early stages (the prodrome) might be more likely to smoke marijuana to quell voices and disturbing thoughts. But further analyses of the Swedish study, and other observational studies, have found that marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis, even after adjusting for possible confounding factors. Although cause and effect are hard to prove, evidence is accumulating that early or heavy marijuana use might not only trigger psychosis in people who are already vulnerable, but might also cause psychosis in some people who might not otherwise have developed it.[/quote] And with this Harvard University has educated you plebeians on just how "safe" marijuana is.
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Because they are not normal website links. Those are references for medical journals. You do realise the difference yeah? Obviously you have not and do not plan on ever going to and or graduating college?
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That's really cute buddy, getting extremely defensive over legitimate concerns for your sources. I know exactly what medical journals but do you think I'm subscribed to that certain journal? I could go into my schools digital library but why would you give a source that's inaccessible to the majority? The second source came up as non existent while the other looked for a log in. You obviously have an issue with taking criticism and couldn't tell that I was actually curious to read your sources. I was curious to see if the sources were outdated and since you have used them for numerous arguments in this post so they seem to be all-answering. But honestly if they aren't published within about 5 years they are more than likely outdated scientifically speaking. Anything else you want to get your panties bunches up about?
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I don't have issues with criticism at all. I have issues with morons who try to defy logic and fact. I care not if your school has access to medical journals from around the world, just like I could care less if your school had access to electronic versions of university text books. Those sources in which I provided are referenced in their entirety with correct formatting for the type of source that they are. If you are unable to use "Google" and incapable of typing "medical journals online" then it is no wonder you cannot find them.
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Why is weed legal for recreational use for me then? I thought you said it wasn't safe? If you've worked in the medical field then you would know how safe it is, especially compared to alcohol? Or those Google searched journals are the tell all end all? Your whole post made me LMFAO. Ignorant scum like you like to push your beliefs on other people on the forums because your life is so dull.
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[quote]7. Report 3 of the Council on Science and Public Health (I-09). Use of cannabis for medicinal Purposes (Resolutions 910, I-08; 921, I-08; and 229, A-09) (Reference Committee K). American Medical Association, 2009. http://www.ama-assn.org//resources/doc/csaph/i09csaph3ft.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 3. General Purpose Standing Committee No. 4. The use of cannabis for medical purposes (Report 27). Sydney: NSW Parliament, May 2013. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/fdb7842 246a5ab71ca257b6c0002f09b/$FILE/Final%20Report%20-%20The%20use%20of%20cannnabis%20 for%20medical%20purposes.pdf (accessed Aug 2013). 8. Pertwee RG. Targeting the endocannabinoid system with cannabinoid receptor agonists: pharmacological strategies and therapeutic possibilities. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci 2012; 367: 3353-3363. 9. Cohen PJ. Medical marijuana: the conflict between scientific evidence and political ideology. J Pain Palliat Care Pharmacother 2009; 23(1): 4-25, 23(2): 120-140. 10. Grotenhermen F, Müller-Vahl K. The therapeutic potential of cannabis and cannabinoids. Dtsch Arztebl Int 2012; 109: 495-501. Here you have peer reviewers and published medical journal articles from Te US, Britain, Australia, and Germany. I can get more if you like, all of whom will state medical science says you are an idiot. Pay attention to the article about the conflict between medical science and political ideology. Your IDEOLOGIES are not supported, and are in fact disproved by medical science. Yep, science bitch.[/quote] Because social ideologies in your country are denying facts proven by medical science. Ideologies are not scientific fact.
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What country are you from again?
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Your scientific facts are propaganda, the same as the reefer madness movie. You should check that out, I bet you would enjoy it.
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Also, how many people live in an abusive family where the father drinks? But how many of these fathers smoke weed?
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[quote]Psychosis. Marijuana exacerbates psychotic symptoms and worsens outcomes in patients already diagnosed with schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders. Several large observational studies also strongly suggest that using marijuana — particularly in the early teenage years — can increase risk of developing psychosis. An often-cited study of more than 50,000 young Swedish soldiers, for example, found that those who had smoked marijuana at least once were more than twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as those who had not smoked marijuana. The heaviest users (who said they had used the drug more than 50 times) were six times as likely to develop schizophrenia as the nonsmokers. Until recently, the consensus view was that this reflected selection bias: Individuals who were already vulnerable to developing psychosis or in the early stages (the prodrome) might be more likely to smoke marijuana to quell voices and disturbing thoughts. But further analyses of the Swedish study, and other observational studies, have found that marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis, even after adjusting for possible confounding factors. Although cause and effect are hard to prove, evidence is accumulating that early or heavy marijuana use might not only trigger psychosis in people who are already vulnerable, but might also cause psychosis in some people who might not otherwise have developed it.[/quote] And with this Harvard University has educated you plebeians on just how "safe" marijuana is.
