Felwinters lie, thorn, gjallarhorn. Are all crucible crutches imo ... By all means go ahead and use them but you're handicap

Your warlock is running a shotty with shot package and your titan is running a shotty with hammer forged.pot calling kettle black much?

I think it needs a buff. It needs to have a faster rate of fire so I can shoot it faster.

You don't hate the felwinters lie, you hate that everyone can roll hammer forged and shot package for it. There are a lot of shotguns that would be just as good if not possibly better if you were lucky enough to get that particular roll.

Why can't people just learn how to evolve and deal with things? Also if you read the weekly updates you'd know how pointless this post is. The update will remedy the "problem".

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Your stats lack of skills anyway.... so who cares? You can't understand the way you can counter shotgun ..... and you never will so thats why you make a topic about this one .... do you remember before the patch ? shotgun was more op ...... the difference?! ..... you was ra pe by different type of shotgun....now..... you v been ra pe by the same type of shotgun ..... you will always been ra pe..... the meta change only the weapon wich we will kick your ass ;)

I don't even play bad, I never go negative, but felwinters lie is so damn annoying.

First, shame on you and your lack of strategy. Second, Bungie will remedy the shotgun rampages in Crucible with less special ammo. If you read the weekly updates, you would know this already.

I hate to admit that I do have 3 Felwinters and wanted to be part of the "bandwagon" sniping shotgun users. However, it got old for me because I felt that it got really boring to just run around and blast people with it. Now, I improve my Crucible experience by finding ways to defeat this "fad". Now I find it much more fun and rewarding to see someone with a shotgun rushing to you and melting them away with a Vex or Plan C.

Felwinters Lie just needs the available perks to be looked at when reforging. Stacking multiple range perks shouldn't be allowed. I don't see Shotguns as a problem because technically there's nothing wrong with them, they perform how they're suppose to. The problem is that almost every map caters to their play style. Mix that with Felwinters range on a good reforge, then it's hell. The impending patch on Special Ammo should help lower the usage of them a little, but until more variety in maps is added, Shotguns will always run supreme. Which blows ass.

Wah wah nerf this nerf that... who cares it's a game. You play to have fun. If bungie listened to every nerf complaint we'd be playing barbies in a sand box, I mean enough with the nerf threads already.

People have deliberately rerolled them for Max range and I am getting a bit sick of how far the one hit too. I find the more I use a shotgun the more boared I am with crucible. I also get bored out of my mind waiting to snipe someone how can anyone handle either waiting around scoped or running around like headless chickens Mindlessly running around. Truly ask secondaries and even heavies ruin crucible for me. Supers I can just about handle but as it is their are too many one shot kills. In some instances you can't even get any sort of fun have getting one hit fun all directions.

Uhmm if everything got nerfed*(lol) nothing would change