As an experienced raider (destiny and other games) what I can tell you about a lot of "noob" raiders is that they hear about things being easy and don't quite understand that veteran raiders, especially in a Newer game like destiny, spent A LOT of time learning how to do each fight. Probably with multiple groups and strategies. It isn't so much not wanting to take new players in as much as not wanting to re teach people how to do everything and hope they are smart enough to pick it up on the fly and complete it. THERE IS A SOLUTION!! Every discovered nook, cranny, strategy, exploit of the vault is posted on forums and YouTube. People clear it in 30 minutes. Take 30 minutes, watch how they do it! Read how the fights are done. I WILL EVEN REDUCE YOUR RESEARCH TIME! [spoiler] spoilers ahead[/spoiler] Here's what to read/watch online to successfully lie your way into a stingy VoG by saying you have done it before: Where the sync plates are outside and that only praetorians can take it back from you. The order of confluxes, where to go during legions, how to cleanse yourself from fanatic goo. Where Templar oracles spawn. How many oracle waves. How to cheese from the top. How to use the relic (most important thing throughout raid). how kill Templar. How to prevent Templar from teleporting. How to not kill yourself in bubbles. How to push Templar off edge. How enrage works. 5th chest location, Gorgons chest locations, how not to die in Gorgons maze, how to kill a gorgon, how not to die in Gorgons maze on hard How to do jumping platforms, how do them easy depending on your class. To kill snipers in atheons room, to kill the gate keeper, how the gates work, the multitude of strategies of how to do the gates, how to use the relic (it's back! Learn how to use it!). The atheon fight, which portal is which and the names they are referred to by. The order of oracles. How to not get blown up by supplicants, HOW TO USE THE RELIC!(third fight in the raid that has it, you should probably learn how to use it) how to navigate out of portals, what to do during times vengeance, what to not do during times vengeance (rockets in bubbles, solar grenades, overstaying, leaving supplicants alive). How enrage works. How to push him off the edge... Just because. How not to be a dick when someone gets good loot and you don't.( maybe shoulda put at the top) Lotta tips here but look everything up. Grab a snack and let one hour of research save you two hours of looking for group and five hours of dying. Hope this helps some new guys smoothly do their first runs with no one knowing the wiser. If you don't like the idea of looking everything up beforehand then find more like minded people and have that blind experience... At least the info is there should you get discouraged. Happy hunting.

Anyone else clicked on here expecting something entirely different? I mean "raid virgin" .. Really?=P

Lvl 26 titan been through the raid many times

Smack! It is great to hear someone that is in the same boat as me, I get tired of seeing all of these dudes (ew huh, excuse me Guardians) with all of this cool Raid Gear that I can only experience from the working end in the Crucible (i.e. Vex Mythocast). I not only haven't done the VoG but I have only completed one Daily Heroic with a friend who resides in a time zone 6 hours ahead of mine which is Central Time. So needless to say Strange Coin is as rare as "strange" if you understand me. I am also an older gamer (your senior by several) and have had the same reservations as you, plus sometimes when receiving game invites I wonder what I might be getting into. I have also had Destiny from Day One and have a Level 27(.98) Warlock and a Lvl 25 Titan and a low level Hunter I need to work on because it appears to be the best PvP character from my experience and reading. I usually play from 5:30 or so CST to around 11:30 or 12:00 so our hours would be off. Anywho, just wanted to say I feel ya brother and would like to at least hook up on some Nightfall's and Daily Heroic's sometime so I could actually take some of my Strange currency out of their safe deposit box down at the bank before they drop in value equal to the good ole U.S. Dollar! I'm also on xbox one and of the same gamertag as this.

I haven't done the raid cause I don't have 5 friends and meeting new people is scary.

[quote]Anyone else still not done the Raid? What's your reason? [/quote] I am holding off. They need to sort the reward system and there is so much cheese controversy, I am happy to wait till it is sorted to give it a go. I figure I will get all three of my chars to 29 then see how the game develops when the DLC drops. In no hurry am I.

Dazedhigh, I'm 26, I'll gladly be your raid chaperone, Its not that bad like people say it is. My first time I ran it was with a crew who had done it 10+ times and they were real chill, showed me where to go , all the good vantage points, and one guy let me pick up the relic during the Templar fight (they were cheesing him so they didn't need the relic , they just told me to make sure to destroy the oracles) It's good practice because all you fight is harpies and goblins. Now I'm a boss with it. GT is same and I game every night around the same time as you so we should def. raid

I have also yet to do the raid, not for lack of trying, but I don't have many friends that even play on an Xbox and none that play Destiny so I have been stuck, add together that I am just under lvl 26 I just haven't been able to find a group.