Not just casuals, the game has gotten GRINDY, like annoyingly GRINDY. I've always felt they could make the game fun and great for everyone but they won't do it. If you want that gun that shoots a little faster and is more powerful, you can grind extra for it. I'm happy with the lesser version. This is what bungie never really gets. Some of us....... JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN!!! The fact that this doesn't have more likes is a testament to how far this game has fallen. Most here don't want you to enjoy the game... They just want to feel special. It's a shame this game never reached it's potential.

I read the first bit and wanted to read more bc I wanted to see if I could actually find a good argument to make this game even easier than it already is but like always I was wrong to think that there was any argument that makes sense to make this game "more casual friendly" that term pisses me off if you want something in Destiny you gotta work for it. Its not gonna be handed to you on a silver platter this isn't one of those instant satisfaction games its a slab of meat perfectly seasoned in a crock pot slow cooking and when you final get to eat it the meat separates without any resistance and that's this game at its best. I thought the lumina quest was really forgiving took me 4 hours to do and I worked 9 hours the day of its release and was still able to get the quest done and play with it a bunch before bed. I had friends who didn't take off work 9-5 mon-fri and still managed to get all of the pre-opulence prep done and grind to 740+ before entering the raid the next weekend and beat me to max when I had both weeks off. to be fair I wasn't trying to reach max I'm the clan leader and I make it a point to learn the raids as soon as possible and teach them so they don't have to go through lfg hell to get a clear and have a pleasant first experience. I think time gating the catalyst for outbreak was dumb sure but if you think zero hour was difficult you're kinda silly I got to the point where I was running so many people through it I was able to get consistent runs doing the entire puzzle, kill all the enemies in the boss room, and get the 5 minute challenge done all in one run. Also how do you know find 30 minutes to do heroic zero hour in the entire 7 days you can do at anytime. knowledge is half the battle they say and if you don't want to take the necessary steps to learn from others mistakes your going to have to accept that it will take longer to get this stuff done and if you want it to be so easy you can go in blind and get everything done in an hour or less you're just not playing the right game for yourself go play something that gives you rewards exactly when you want them to but don't go asking to change a game bc you don't like it. Bungie should not cater to people who don't like their game which are the people who want everything handed to them within the first hour of its release its just silly. destiny is not a full time job it does not take 40 hours a week to play this game effectively your just a lazy player I hate to call you out but you leave me no choice when you make silly statements like "destiny is a full time job" give me a break.

As I like to play different MMO’s from time to time, I will say that I don’t mind the grind. However, I think the problem is that none of the grind is fun at all and it’s certainly not creative from the devs. “Go grind this 2 year old content you’ve already done 500 times. Go play this activity that you usually avoid like the plague. Now go do some more old content but get x amount of headshots/multikills etc etc. I recently changed platform and unlocking the forges on 2 different characters by doing crap that I’ve already done for the last 3 years nearly killed me. I refuse to do it on a third character. Even when there is a “different” step, in an exotic weapon quest for example, it’s just “do this strike at a harder difficulty”. A grind is fine in my opinion. A lot of destiny “grind” is just tedious and sends me to sleep. I don’t think the more casual players would mind taking a week or two to get a new exotic weapon if the steps were actually fun, different, creative, new or well thought out. It’s just more of the same old nearly every time. Yawn

I dunno man i kinda like games having rewards at different spectrums of difficulty, makes games more interesting ya know? Also its ok if you dont get everything, just focus on the stuff you think is worth your time.

U think this game is getting HARDER? Bruh this game is so easy as it is, i agree not everything needs to be time consuming, but challenge and puzzles are great and should exist in destiny. This isnt a streamer game, im not a streamer and have done essentially everything their is to do. Flawless heroc menagarie, this week and last week. 3 man heroic. Flawless raids. 2 man raids. Day 1 raids. Bunch of titles, all the gear god rolled... just because YOU cant do it, doesnt mean everyone who can or wants to is an "elitist streamer".

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I know what you mean man. Tedious and arduous are just a few words to describe the crap that Bungie has been putting towards their exotic quests. I mean even in D1 Y1 the random exotic quests you would get from the bounty board were no where near as arduous and tedious as these quest are right now and at least the PvP was somewhat manageable to where you could get the PvP parts done without getting too sweaty about it.

Hopefully the casuals will go away the game becomes a healthier environment for people like me

Yes, they are becoming more elitist. The casuals won't stay around like the elitists, so why would they cater to the casuals? You are the people they are getting rid of. They wont change shit for you. They said the game is becoming more rpg like, so yes it will be more hardcore. Bye bye

[quote]That being said, it feels like Bungie is leaning HARD into the Elitist/streamers mentality of increasingly difficult, arduous and time consuming quests/content.[/quote] It's not even difficult, though, just arduous and time consuming to get levelled and get a good load out. The content in itself isn't hard, they've just made it a black hole for time. Calibrated for those who play as a job, just a pain in the ass chore for everyone else. I can't help but suspect that the sales figures for Shadow Keep will reflect this.

The only people I wish bungie WOULD push out of the community is the immature, toxic, ignorant people that have somehow infested this game the past 2 years. Casual or hardcore I don't care, just get rid of the ass holes lol

The Lumina quest has been out for 3 days. You have forever to complete it. Even playing at a snails pace, for maybe 20 minutes a day or less, you would still get it at least around the beginning of shadowkeep. You're a casual. You aren't getting the gun in a day. Accept it or quit the quest. As someone who hates gambit, getting that step done was the easiest part of the quest. Took only one game, and I didn't even use the easy heavy options like truth or hammerhead. If you can't get the medal, it's a 'you're bad at the game' problem and not a 'hardcores are ruining this game' problem.

Yeah they're going into the more in depth rpg/mmo route. And I'm happy to Hear it.