Started a new topic: Shot through wall(1 Reply)

Lag and Latency, not a glitch or a bug. Information is sent in 'packets' over the internet. These packets only have a set time of validity, they can be late but not too late. Lets say you're standing there watching an angle or corridor or whatever. You realise you are taking damage from someone to your side you didn't see, you retreat around a corner and wait for your shield to come back. A few seconds later you die, and you see it was a guy who could not possibly get an angle on you. You assume you were shot through a wall. However, the packet containing information on the bullets the other guy was firing, or the damage you were taking from it, were not reaching the Host in time. The view from the other guy: He saw you and knew you hadn't noticed him, he had the advantage. He also knew his current weapon could kill you in 4-5 shots. He shoots you 5 times, 6, 7 and you don't die. At that point you run and hide around the corner. The packets containing the relevant information were likely delayed (latency) or some of them were so late they were not accepted and the data contained not applied (lag). So you believe you were safe, but as the data catches up the game (netcode) decides you should be dead and so you die. This is frustrating for both players, the other guy knows you should have already been dead and you think you've been shot through a wall. And yes, it will actually sometime look like it too but that's the Predictive Rendering, this is a tool in place that tries to fill in the data gaps on screen so you don't notice and have a smoother experience. I don't like it personally, without it we would see a much more accurate representation of whats really happening. This is just a basic description, there are far more complexities than this but I wanted you to know that you CANNOT be actually shot through walls. The network model is the first problem, and while Bungie are constantly improving the netcode it will neven be perfect. The next problem is players' connections. So many people think its not their problem when the truth it that it is. People quote speeds when they are not a good measure of connection quality, people quote ping when its just a measure of the latency to a local server and does not represent connections to other players. And worst of all people try to defend WiFi when they clearly have no idea how much interference WiFi is susceptible to. Tl:dr. The problem is the network model and players internet connections. What you describe is just as likely to be your own connection as any other explanation. Check your connection, portforward, get off WiFi stop downloading midget-prons while playing and it should improve.

Some of it's lag...But not all of it, Aim assist or "bullet Magnetism" are annoyingly strong in Destiny..I will absolutely say that I have killed people with shots that didn't even hit them, now this isn't across the board it's just a couple supers, like the golden gun, be honest have you ever shot it at some one and missed but still got the kill?....I have, more than a few times (especially in D1) also for a few weapons it's almost a feature (Graviton, Mida, No land beyond) I decided to test this when people brought it up (and it happened to me on both sides very frequently) back in Destiny 1, so my friend and I played a few games of "no land only" the amount of missed shot and wall kills was amazing..not lag either....I fired the shot and knew it hit the wall, the bullet hole was in visually in the wall..my friend knew he'd been shot through a wall...Mida is another big one where firing just after someone's gone around the corner or behind cover still results in a hit (or a kill if they have low health) Graviton Lance does this too..I can't remember all of the ones that do it, but there are quite a few, I will say though, through testing while it IS very repeatable it's not something you can do at all reliably enough to use it as an advantage, so at least you don't have to worry about people abusing it so you can lay blame on Lag, and the weapon itself and not the player. So, Lag, and really bad hit detection You're both right to an extent.

One word: LAG

Latency has been the first and foremost issue for PvP in the Destiny franchise since it was released. Even when the player base was at an all time high and you'd get fresh 6v6 matches within seconds, there was never a match without some form of latency issues that either gave you or the opponents an edge. Bungie is well aware of the issues related to latency, yet they still opted to use P2P servers for the sequel. After 4 years, people are still making comments like "git gud internet" lol. Whether it's bait, or blind dicksucking, complaining of latency in PvP at this point is beating a cremated horse. Bungie will ignore it, all players know it, some players will just give you shit for mentioning it, and nothing will change. My advice is to take Destiny PvP for what it is and not stress out about the things that will not ever be fixed.

Who remembers the sniper in d1 that could shoot through walls as a perk. Fun times

SHOT THROUGH THE WALLS, AND YOU’RE TO BLAME! Darlin’ you give Bungie a bad name.

I see some comments about dedicated servers needed to solve this. It won’t solve just by having dedicated servers. It will depend where the servers are that you and your fire team are playing on, where your fire team members are from, and where the opposing fire team members are from Get the best possible internet connection you can, wired connection, port forward , kick everyone off Netflix , and use the google dns, I find that dns works best instead of whatever default is used when you set up your connection

I have never once experienced being shot through a wall.

Bungie should have dedicated servers. I feel you are punished with good internet speeds. Game favors the slower ones I swear. This is just a guess, please say I’m wrong, but maybe since your speeds are snappier, on the opponents screen you aren’t quite behind the wall yet or as fast?

If it's not too difficult for the devs, could you just slap together some dedicated servers real quick? Should be a nice cheap, easy solution that has never been recommended to you guys and is a totally possible thing to get done in the next week or so.

I don’t know if you remember or were around then but back in vanilla D1 a sniper with heavy rounds could literally shoot through any wall. It was great fun.