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Edited by Vault of Glass: 4/28/2016 12:47:12 AM
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thorn/shotguns was 10x more fun than now. prove me wrong

camp camp camp remember when time to kill on primaries wasn't an eternity long and could drop a sniper across the map in two seconds? remember when a shotgun didn't need to get shoved up an enemy's taint to one hit kill? remember when trials matches took 5 mins instead of 20 and you weren't res sniped every revive? yeah...the last 7 months have sucked compared to the final year one pvp meta. ain't saying it was perfect. but it definitely wasn't the slow paced cluster -blam!- it is now. edit: I never understood the argument about thorn, tlw, shotguns, etc. being op?? if everyone has access to the same shit, nothing is op lol. it comes down to you getting outgunned/outplayed. if they pop up and hit you with two head shots and run away, they still did something smarter then you to come out on top. denying that this meta wasn't the fastest paced meta the game has had is like saying the division was actually an interesting game.
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  • In any 6v6 game mode anyone in a fireteam just sits in the back with a DoP and a sniper. The map depends on its effectiveness, but it seems if you can clear them out and maintain that area, they usually get wrecked and back out when they realize they are outmatched. Sad the state of crucible.

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  • Honestly if thorn could hit from across the screen again you could make the poison dot 1 damage a tick and bring it to year 2 id be happy

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  • If anything I wish they would decrease the ttk on primary weapons. It doesn't need to be cod level fast, but I think it takes a little too long now. It's another reason why people use the secondaries as primaries now. While thorn is a bitch at least primaries could compete back then.

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    • At least there wasn't a sniper camping at every corner.

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    • Edited by Terrell: 4/28/2016 3:13:20 AM
      It's a game of chicken now. Everyone poking their heads back and forth around corners till someone dies

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      • I agree. This game is hot garbage, and Bungie seems like the only thing to do is nerf everything. That is why I've given up on this game and the fall DLC. Maybe, Destiny 2 will get it right.

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        • Yeah. People just hardscope lines of site and don't move. I'm fine with the current shotgun, but the primaries are just too weak to deal with snipes. They should just add lots of flinch to snipers being hit. It is also ridiculous that 50% of primary fights results in the guy running away when he is almost dead. That's just frustrating in a game that should be more primary based... After all it s called primary.

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        • Year one meta was the most fun I had in a shooter for a while. Fast paced aggressive style gameplay.

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          • For the last few trials games I played, 3 teams in a row just stayed in their spawns with 1000yrd stare/high impact sniper... One game there was a team camping in their spawn with shotguns... Adding special to the beginning of trials was a mistake

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          • Kind of agree with you A lower TTK for primaries would be better, and shotguns should have been looked at individually, not like now where a low impact shottie won't kill at kissing range

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          • Most people didnt like thorn because of its range and ability to counter snipers it was the longest range year 1 hans cannon and the DoT made snipers panic so they got killed....

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          • Trials match starts Seconds go by 1. 2 3 4 5 6 7 Sniper shots heard from across the map.... 4 shots are heard... Absolute silence in the map... Where the -blam!- are the auto rifles 15 seconds in or scout rifles? No problem with snipers in general, but when 1/4 of all kills in trials is from one particular sniper, something needs fixed.

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            • I prefer the faster game play. IB clash is so boring, slow, and painful, its like getting teeth pulled.

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              • Agree 100%. In that meta, every game was fast paced and frantic. Everyone had TWL and thorn and it just came down to tour skill. Now its just camping doors with snipers

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              • I actually find my self agreeing with this. Iron banner last night was a spawn camp fest. No one pushed every one just sat back in the lanes and took pot shots at each other.

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              • Just remember evert one of you are directly responsible for this. You asked for it, literally, you have received what you deserve. Learn to love it, or bitch, complain and cry nerf to make it worse. Your choice.

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              • I definitely agree with you as far as the pace of the game. Crowded sniper lanes, teams fighting in the same choke point of the map to get snipes. It's pretty mindless of you ask me. The one thing I do like about the current condition of cruicible is that there aren't any [i]go to[/i] weapons right now. I think this is a good thing. I think the main issue right now is the [i]very little[/i] risk for reward with snipers. I think that bungie should impliment a sway in all snipers and if you are under fire and ADS then if you are hit anywhere chest or above be immidiately taken out of ADS. No way can i pop you 3 times in the head with mida and you land a lucky headshot and kill me right before I land the kill. A lot needs to go into changing snipers but as far as balance goes I think they are going in the right direction.

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              • Now: camp camp camp *mida last word* camp camp SHADESTEP SHADESTEP

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              • Edited by cuzzybubba1: 4/28/2016 3:18:06 PM
                Agreed, the current state of crucible is so passive and campy it's shite.

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              • Agreed. Like you can't even run and gun anymore

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              • Snipers are slowing down the gameplay way too much

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              • Yup I agree, nerf to hand cannons and no thorn, we are left with everybody pre-aiming corridors with snipers because it takes so long to engage them with primaries. At least with the thorn meta players moved around the map

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              • Agree

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              • I agree year 1 was so much better and fast paced....we use to be so powerful...but the devs nerfed everything and listened to the whiners...we use to 2 shot up primary weapons, use to be able to carry lots of ammo, guns perks got nerfed hard, shotguns, fusions and snipers all got nerfed hard...classes abilities got nerfed hard, etc. I could go on and now but now Pvp is more campy and teamshot oriented...u use to be able to run around by urself and wreck but now u gotta team up more...with all that said I still love Pvp but damn year 1 was a blast...atleast I can play mayhem lol...

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              • F$@# the crucible I miss the Vault of Glass, the only reason why year 1 was my favorite

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              • Agree wholeheartedly. Especially the OP part of Thorn and TLW etc,,,, if EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO IT THEN WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??? Don't like that you feel like you have to use it to be competitive and there's no diversity? Well hell man, if your so damn good then use what you want but don't be shocked if you get exposed for a lack of skill that using the gun you want to gets you beat by someone else using best possible options. Seriously need to have a non competitive version of PVP for all the crybabies.

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