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Edited by TheSneakerFlip: 4/10/2016 4:53:19 AM
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Why even have exotic weapons?

What is the point of having exotic weapons anymore? Exotics are considered exotics because they held certain advantages over other legendaries. Now with all the crying and whining for nerfs, Bungie is just negating and taking away all the exotic perks. TLW Perk is now non existent. The White Nail perk that made the Black Hammer superior was changed to pull ammo from reserves when turned into the Black Spindle. All they had to do was make the Black Hammer an exotic and kept the perk. Mida multitool is being nerfed as well. Gjallarhorn wolfpack rounds were nerfed. Vex Mythoclast prenerf was a beast. Hawkmoon perk was nerfed. The Truth will be receiving less rockets when you pick up heavies in crucible. Why even have exotics when theyre just going to nerf them? Why not just get rid of exotics and make all weapons legendary since you want to make it all the same and generic? Exotics are supposed to give you an advantage, thats the whole point of having them. Instead lazy, entitled people cry and complain because theyre being outgunned by exotics they themselves can earn. Get better, get the weapons other people are using against you and fight back. Get better and stop feeling sorry for yourself and cry for a nerf because you are tired of dying. Edit: If exotics are merely for the "looks" and are supposed to only be "unique" and "different" but provide no advantage, whether slight or a large amout, then how come you can only equip one piece of exotic at a time? Class items might be more cosmetic than anything but you can't tell me a Guardian wearing all exotic gear and equipped with all exotic weapons has no advantage over one with a full set of legendary gear and weapons. To the ones saying it's not more powerful but more "unique". How much more unique will exotics be when Bungie is going after the very perks that make exotics "unique"? If exotics don't give an advantage why wouldn't they let you use more than one at a time? Is it because it would be unfair? If they hold no advantage how can they be unfair?
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  • Trying to make sense of their "balancing" is like trying to shovel a driveway during a snowstorm. It's just not gonna happen.

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    • This is a perfectly fair and reasoned argument that points out Bungie's bizarre balancing philosophy. I did not do ridiculous exotic bounties (Thorn bounty omg), quest lines, [i]timed[/i] quests, a raid (not really a raid guy), and drop Xur Dollars for "cosmetic" items. Nope. I know, Bungie knows, and you all know that wasn't the gameplan. These weapons are supposed to be beast, hence there being a limit to how many you can equip, and the work it takes getting them. Now: If Bungie wants to nerf them into 'Legendary +' weapons, okay fine. But allow us to equip two for armor and weapons. Not a full set (though that would make for an interesting crucible mode), but something to make them relavent. And if what makes them exotic is a unique perk: Just make an exotic perk reward system we can apply to any gun. Imagine greens and blues made relavent by being exotic-modular. Something. Anything. Killing exotics will kill motivation to get them, which in turn I have to imagine kills Bungie's designer motivation to make more. Somebody has to give up their hill and I think the players have to git gud rather than Bungie acquiescence over and over. And while I'm here; nerfing a gun because it's 'popular' rather than objectively better than other guns is an absurd reason to nerf anything. Mida. Was not. That good. At all.

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      • I agree with the edit most. Just allow people to equip multiple exotics.

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      • Exotics are 'exotic' due to having a unique perc combination not found elsewhere. Other weaponry may have most of the percs as a possible combination, but only the Exotic guarantees that specific combination always. That perc combination allows the weapon or armor to outperform similarly attributed gear only because of the Exotic combination. For example: an exotic has 4 percs, the legendary only can have 3. The exotic always has those four, but, those 4 combined makes it more powerful than any combination the legendary can have. Because the legendary can never have 4, and is always limited to 3. Exotics, by definition, are more powerful than their Legendary counterparts. Believe whatever you like, or test the explanation yourself. Pick any Exotic and compare it to any legendary similarly perc'd. The Exotic will always have one more (hidden or obvious) that makes it stronger. Well, not anymore. MIDA has been the first to have that removed.

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      • Hung Jury might be the next casualty....!!!!

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      • Wait till they nerf the twilight garrison. Bungie is afraid of putting this exotic in the rng. This is the exotic every titan wants but it's so "special" that the drop rate is 0,00000000001. When the cry babies asking bungie to nerf this "special exotic" because they can't hit the other player because he's evading everything then bungie will move the "special" out of it and then the drop rate will be 75% and xur will sell it. They messing this whole game up. Just keep it the way it is instead of nerfing everything. If your good then keep playing. If you stay bad in this game then leave but keep the pleasure in the game then people will keep playing.

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        • I do agree somewhat. Exotics were meant to give a certain mechanic or perk that made them better then their legendary counterpart and I do agree that if there is no difference between a legendary and an exotic why is it you can only equip 1 at a time, the tagine for the damn game is "Become Legend" not Become somewhat legendary one exotic armor and weapon at a time.

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          • Git gud

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            • Edited by AMC_07: 4/9/2016 6:17:54 PM
              Exotics are supposed to be different, by no means better! They provide unique perks to change they way the game is played. Have you seen a legendary like Chaperone? How about TLW? Or any of the PoE exotics? Besides, if we all ran exotics what would be the point of legendaries anyway? By only allowing one exotic to be equipped, we have options in the way we play (which is what Bungie is trying to go for, whether they're successful or not). Now on your complaint about nerfs, most of these nerfs are to make it so these weapons aren't the go to. Most of the nerfs aren't too bad anyways, TLW's perk still grant the bonus range and stability while hip firing. And sure losing HCR on MIDA is gonna suck, but this way it won't be the only thing people use. It's still a great gun as well! TL;DR- They're for different options, and the tweaks made are to make sure we have options and nothing is overused. We can equip one at a time for even more options, and to not make legendaries as pointless as uncommon or rare gear. I know you probably won't read this because it's long and there are so many responses, but I hope you do.

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              • Yes the pvp players constant complaining for their never gonna see it "balance" has ruined the game. Nothing more nothing less. Hell even some of the big names in pvp are starting to see that the fruits of their labor is a trashed game that had much potential but now feels less than it ever has.

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              • Edited by DeusFever: 4/9/2016 10:04:27 PM
                Clearly the problem is having the same weapons for PvE and PvE. Each nerf by Bungie is a tacit admission that the system they have doesn't work.

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              • While Destiny was in development they did a podcast. In it the developers said that Exotics were meant to have that little something that made them feel special. So guns like Zalo, Hard Light, NLB, and lots of others have that special perk that makes them unique. They also said that their idea of balance was that not everyone is doing the same thing. They make changes based on that philosophy. The whole idea behind an Exotic was that you need to make a decision and build your Guardian accordingly. If you could wear every single Exotic in every slot, not only would that make you look extremely silly, but break so much.

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              • Exotics are meant to be cool, but not overwhelming. A person who doesn't use them can still get by well in the game. I've seen players who prefer Legendaries. Indeed, my Titan's artifact is only Rare. And truth be told, while they're not meant to be gamebreraking or indispensable, some Exotics remain pretty awesome and unique. Truth might take less ammo, but it still fires rockets with a banana trajectory. Could I get by with a tracking Tormod or Ash Factory though? Sure. Invective still eliminates the need to pick up green boxes or chests. But my warlock uses a Party Crasher and my Titan a Patch-A, and they get by just fine. they just have to use their primaries and melees a bit more. Bad Juju is still an endless bullet hose when you're shooting at mobs of red-bar enemies. But you can do without it. Last Word will still chew up a Guardian in a split second, but it has its limits. Just get closer and use a shotgun, or stay farther and use an autorifle, and you can do without it. And last but not least, my Dark-Drinker is still like having sixteen void-based Landfall-type attacks at my command. On a couple ofccasions, it shredded raid bosses who didn't have Earthquake attacks. But I could do fine without it; I'd just need two minutes to end a raid instead of 30 seconds. There was ONE Exotic that was considered essentially indispensable: the Mighty Gjallie. People were being rejected from raid teams for not having one. That's why it wasn't brought forward into Y2: Bungie didn't want to go back to that, and rightly so.

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                • What is an exotic weapon? A weapon that is visibly different from the others of its class. A weapon that feels different to use from the others of his class. A weapon that makes you feel great using it. A weapon that allows you to play in a different way, encouraging different styles of play and variety. The only thing that an exotic weapon is NOT, is a weapon that gives the user a power advantage over other players. This is the idea that I'm getting from Bungie through the various nerfs and buffs. Also one that I believe in.

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                • I do believe that Bungie intended for exotics to be better(in certain ways) but I don't believe that Bungie ever intended for exotics so powerful that some player will stand no chance in a gunfight. The problem is that they often design exotics with PvE in mind but then after a while see that it is too powerful for PvP. The real problem isn't Bungie, it's all of the stupid WHINERS that keep screwing up the exotics

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                  • The exotic swords feels pretty exotic to me.

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                    • [b][i][spoiler]weapons exotic have even Why?[/spoiler][/i][/b]

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                    • I agree. Bungie is afraid of every awesome exotic they have created so they nerf them like crazy. Thorns exotic perk is poison, but after the update this "poison" will last like 3 seconds and do 8 damage. That's not how poison works and tbh I'd rather have them nerf Thorns base damage and have its DoT remain strong. That was this unique gun that poisons it's enemies can retain it's main idea: poison

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                    • Because Gold/Orange has been a rarity tier in rpgs for over a decade xD Dur much?

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                    • My view is that if you choose an exotic weapon it is because you made the tactical choice that this weapon will excel at this particular situation. I.e, they excel at a specific activity; also, they look great. Black Suros is just amazing.

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                    • Exotic arent just supposed to be better at everything. They are supposed to excel in a certain niche.

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                    • Edited by Zspeed: 4/9/2016 5:29:43 PM
                      Some people just don't understand... here is the thing, they want everything to feel the same weather its pvp or pve, if you can't understand that you are a child that hasn't learned about compromise. Imagine this: all exotic weapons were OP and very unique and rare, but then people complain about them being used in crucible...so in the interest of balance they said "ok, no exotic weapons in crucible" then everyone would complain about not being able to use them. TLW will still be as deadly and the truth will still be the truth even with less ammo. 2 rockets from truth are still better than any other rocket launcher in y2.

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                    • No idea. Most exotics are worse than legendaries.

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                    • I'm just waiting for the jade rabbit nerf call

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                    • Do you know what balance is

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                      • limited to what you can use at one time + all the good weapons and armors are almost all exotics now + limited ammo / loss of ammo on changing weapons (loss of ammo should be removed). you may as well alow people to use as many as they want. full exotic weapons and armor (but only in PvE).

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