idk, man. i don't really see a huge problem with people wanting their team to have some degree of experience. the raid has been out for a week now. there's very little reason for someone to not have any experience at all at this point. at least up to golgoroth

Never played the raid since my max light is only 291, so whats the "minimum" requirements for the raid with no damage fall off anayway?

We have a weird LFG institution. It wasn't even day 2 and people were looking for people with "experience" ~[i]TheGreatNike[/i]

Lol me and my team took two people through raid just a couple mins ago we didn't whipe on any of the bosses we were really impressed.

Must have black spindle and 300 plus light! [spoiler]have not seen this but I anticipate seeing black spindle as a requirement soon[/spoiler]

oh the good old days of VoG before Destiny was all cancer. when youd spend hours, trying to defeat the Templar, in hopes of the Fatebringer, and then Atheon came along and u shit urself cause u guys had no idea what to do, but hell, it was fun af, so u kept playing. now all it is, "if u havent done it yet, u cant join"...bruh its the first week of the new raid, these the type of ppl to grind out all the gear and weapons in the first month, then complain they have nothing to do. smh.

I don't understand why so many people want to rush these things. Shouldn't the joy be in the experience? I remember doing skolas for the first time. Took us 7 hours. 7 goddamn hours. And I loved every minute of it. I loved talking with my group, forming new strategies, and new ideas. I loved the steady sense of progression as we got closer and closer to the kill with each run. I loved learning the ins and outs, knowing that I could use it later to help people who hadn't done it before, people who would hopefully have as much fun as I had. Raids are like skolas on steroids when they release. They take a long time to run initially. The sense of satisfaction I get when I see my group working together flawlessly is beyond words. It creates positivity, and good conversation. When we screw up, it does down, and the constructive mental progression begins. Patterns form. Succession is earned gradually. It's a learning experience—and a damn fun one. But, sadly, many people just want to rush rewards. They want to cheese, instead of earning. They want it all, and they want it now, like children who want candy before dinner, or who try to open presents before Christmas, or who want an allowance without working. It's lazy. It's not the experience that I believe bungie intended for their game. I'm all for rewards, but in the end, there is no substitute for hard work. Look at it this way: rewards help create experiences. Ergo, you enjoy your experience. You want a good experience. But to get rewards, you have to perform a task. In itself, this task is also an experience. Why don't you enjoy that experience? Is a measly item in a fictional universe really more enjoyable than the memories you create while earning the reward? Is the sense of satisfaction and elation you experience accomplishing a difficult task really not as enjoyable of an experience as grinding away using a weapon or armor piece you'll get sick of in a month or two, if that? Yes. Rewards are great, but in the end, it's not the gear we remember—it's the experience that leads up to the gear that makes our troubles worthwhile. It's that sense of pride and accomplishment as you teabag the s h i t out of skolas, laughing and sighing with relief with the people who shared the experience with you. So, you people go ahead and look for 307 experienced raid masters. You go ahead and nitpick and eliminate any and all signs of trouble or insecurity that you can think of—and when you run the raid with no problems, no struggle of any kind, ask yourself: Was any of it really worth your precious time? Are you gonna wake up months from now and think "Wow, I remember raid run #4 where nothing bad happened at all, just like raid run #5, #6, #7...etc"? Most likely not. Top it off with a piece of gear that you could care less about, and that will probably be replaced, and you'll learn that the precious time you tried to save was all just a huge waste after all. TLDR: Go run the raid with some newbies. Struggle, have fun. Learn. Teach. Make some new buddies. Share in the experience, because in the end, it's the experience leading up to the rewards that counts, not the rewards themselves. Those are merely extras, something to show for what you did— And I promise, you will not remember them.

Must be 8 pound 6 ounce Baby Jesus to join

Saw a post on LFG a few days ago "Must have emblem to prove you beat it" ...-blam!-ing seriously?

First week I played for hours with friends/lfg people and couldn't beat oryx. This week after 10+ hours split up throughout the week with people who knew the mechanics or didn't and I wasn't able to get it done. Went on asking for a group who knows what they're doing (didn't care about light level/guns, just got tired of explaining). Beat it third try and it felt great. And after that? I joined my buddies group of 5 new players, taught them how to do the raid and helped them through it which was awesome. Yes I did ask for a group but I feel like helping give back and teach was a better feeling!