Nowhere near as bad as Call of Duty lobbies, back in the day! Black opps 2 anyone!?

It's generally about your PvP-experience, OP... I play Destiny 2 since year one. I paid for anything they released. The game had a place in my heart. But I also witnessed all those decisions Bungie made since years, some of them borderline and some of them reckless. As a developer, they can be shocking. And because of that, I'm not surprised about the behaviour of some customers. I can't say the "community" is toxic in general but the complaints and the behaviour which comes with it had a strong increase this year. I don't play Solstice, I developed some form of apathy since a few weeks and I'm not in the mood to play The Final Shape. I can't tell (objectively) if Bungie is successful or if they have problems with the franchise but my intuition tells me that there is something wrong. They don't give enough for what they want. Which starts to show it signs.

I chalk it up to 3 things. Over monetization Basically the pay more for less trend going on. The constant nickel and diming that bungie does is getting old. Raising Eververse prices across the board sorry but an armor set should not cost MORE than a season or dlc. Plus if destiny was a true free to play the seasonal content would be free instead of paying 15 bucks to unlock access to the battle pass AND the seasonal activities. It also doesn’t help the game feels abandoned for marathon. Lackluster content The lackluster content that comes with the over monetization has been a big one. Especially since they basically confirmed they will never over deliver again to “keep player expectations realistic”. That is the wrong mentality to have when your past is full of over delivered content like halo, kings fall, forsaken. The content released lately feels like copy and paste or just to predictable. Plus I’m tired of paying for stuff only for it to be removed only to be given back to us with a price tag or drip fed. Same old hamster wheel We have had the same hamster wheel for almost 22 seasons. Doing the same thing over and over again after 9 years does get old and causes burnout. The seasonal model needs to go. I would rather have the d2 launch model of new content every 4 months atleast then we got whole new locations. Plus we’ve had our time invested completely disrespected a few times sunsetting and power creep to name a few instances. Players are getting burned out of doing the same thing. This season has been proof enough as players move to other games. Next season is promised to have “creative risks” but I doubt it. It wouldn’t be an issue if bungie would upkeep content like the core playlists or made small tweaks to current content like changing a raid encounter for a season for example. These are why I feel the community is acting the way it is. Constant nickel and diming for less content. Betrayed for giving them the benefit of the doubt multiple times only to be let down. Abandoned for another ip that feels like it’s getting more love and care while d2 gets neglected while it is the reason that ip is able to be funded. Burned out from the same grind with little to no changes.

bungie has the resources to make a team account period there was never any need for one person to be the middle, them acting like it’s our fault they dont talk to us is lowkey manipulative and its not past them to be manipulative so thats my stance they just dont want to give updates to us cuz they dont care and they love that they can use “the toxic community” as a shield to not give us answers for their garbage game that they’ve admitted is like this because they dont need to do anything creative because people buy 10 dollar emotes yall need to stop buying things from the ever-verse store theres a reason its this bad and its becausewe let it get this bad

I think the casuals (who are probably the nicest community members) left long ago…. All that remains now are what I call the bitter addicts… they can’t stop playing, hate the game and that frustration is taken out on anyone and everyone

The community is toxic because Bungie is toxic. I don't think they know they are though, but their record of controversy is very long.

They're always a few bad eggs. https://twitter.com/ttv_kick_jyle/status/1683350353197273094?s=20 No one should ever be subjected to such hateful and despicable behavior. We all have the right to exist without fear of being attacked or demeaned by others. It's appalling that someone would go out of their way to spread such hurtful comments, not just towards me but also towards my viewers and teammates. Comments such as "I hope you get r**ped irl soon and die from it." and "Are you bald because you have cancer, if so, hope you die soon." (click on link to see one of the comments. the other was from my twitch chat that they came into after I banned them from messaging me in game) What sparked all of this? Nothing to be completely honest. Pure hate because of a loss. That's it. I wish I was joking. In an online world where we come together to share our passions and interests, it's disheartening to witness individuals resorting to cruelty simply because they lost in a game. This behavior is inexcusable and has no place in any community. I sincerely hope that this message reaches as many people as possible, so that these individuals face the consequences of their actions. I urge Bungie and the platform to take appropriate action by banning them. Thank you. The following individuals who should be banned are: biv#0193 - j#9983 - tensor#3362

I feel that lately it has become obvious that the destiny team is either unexperienced or understaffed. Maybe both. The reason why we dont have a stasis or strand glaive yet is because your character in the menu is always holding his primary weapon and it will look weird while holding a glaive. They dont know how to change it, so therefore they postpone it. The neverending errors and server downtimes are ridiculous. How can a triple A company have such bad servers? They communicate they need more time for updates to be put through and still they cant deliver in time. Downtime gets extended almost every time since lightfall. They dont do any playtesting. We do. More often than not an obvious bug gets shipped with an exotic. How does one not spot this? Exotic gets removed and 'fixed' after an unknown time. The content they put out is just a copy paste of old assets. Nothing new gets created. Neomuna is just a copy of Braytech assets. New weapons are a copy of older ones. Seasonal activities have been rehashed for as long as i can remember. When asked about SRL they said they wont bring it back, because the time it would take to create a SRL map, they could create 2 new crucible maps. 8 years later only 1 crucible map is created. What does that tell you? Meanwhile they promised no more sunsetting, but they still refuse to bring back all the pvp maps and strikes they removed. Im not even gonna begin about the story of Lightfall, but the fact that Bungie feels pride about the creation of Nimbus, this clown giving out fistbumps to people who just lost their father, shows they have no clue how to create a compelling character arc. Meanwhile wardaddy Osiris is behaving like a toddler with a temper. Even with all this happening, the gameplay is pretty good. Subclass 3.0 has been amazing and Strand is a great addition to the sandbox that really feels unique. Tormentors and guardian knights are a great addition too, but i wish there were more enemies added. Even if it were acolytes with bug wings. That'd be pretty cool. The game runs and the experience is ok. There are a lot of games way worse than this one, but all these examples tell me that creating amazing player experiences hasn't been on the development radar of Bungie recently.

You poison the water you get bad results You treat a game bad that people like you get bad results You treat people like lab rats and never listen to them you get treated like fools You pretend to listen, we show ourselves in action, you think any of the people who generally love destiny honestly just quit when bungie has given up trying to impress anyone, light fall was impressive only in design, the character are honestly getting me confused and I feel disconnected from it all due to the fact the guardian was purely is just a delivery man, going from one place to another and waiting for the next thing Remember how d1 showed that we were important to the story, that we where needed, that we talked, good times

Each side has -blam!- baskets in their corner

[quote]commuity is toxic, but is the probelm really the community? [/quote] yes youre all big boys and girls, you can take responsibility for your own actions

Nah it's the community.

Maybe if idiots weren’t threatening the devs then the game wouldn’t have so much miscommunications with the community. Regardless of how everyone feels about the game, anyone that goes out of their way to harass a dev is an idiot.

If you refer to the forum this isn't the community Forum its is own thing and maybe a fraction of the player base

This whole topic is a self-fulfilling / never ending cycle. Is the community toxic or is Bungie toxic to the community making them toxic? I think anyone without bias can clearly see there's bad behaviors from both sides that fuel the bad behaviors of the other side. Bungie Inc. & public facing employees of the corp can be equally has cynical, rude, dismissive, & toxic as the trolls they claim to be toxic towards them. I've seen the CM team be complete -blam!- to prominent & respected CCs in the community for asking reasonable questions or feedback. In some cases it pans out the Bungie employee is 100% factually dead wrong and they never even apologize for the rude debate. Along with that bad behavior they also talk down to the common people - making people feel their opinions don't matter or belong in the conversations. They also block people out right for ridiculous reasons (many because they don't approve of the feedback being received) - silencing people & removing them from the ability to be in the conversation. Bad behavior incentives more bad behavior. When you silence people or make them feel they aren't welcome in the conversation- this will turn people to become very toxic & do whatever they rationalize to be a proper response to being pushed out. Bungie Inc. & public facing employees of the corp constantly have to deal with trolls & internet harassment- I agree. But it's the nature of the internet. It's like fire fighters getting upset that their workplace is hot. Who here isn't aware that the internet is filled with toxic trolls & bullies that have the sole intent to purposely derail conversations, insult, & intimidate people? It's like not knowing that there will be cars on the freeway. To be clear: I'm obviously not talking about or defending the harassing, bullying, doxing trolls out there. These individuals suck. I agree with you. What I'm attempting to articulate is that there's two sides to every story. Both parties share blame into the relationship that has developed. IF we really wish to have a better relationship, then we need to be truthful & factual about the problem.

Lmao! The community has always been toxic; so what. It’s also the hive mind Bungie built that gave so much back to them. What streamer & Bungie apologist has people in their feelings now?

Diablo 4 is out one and half months and their players reviewbombed its user score to 2/10 because they don't like what the devs did This community is not toxic, most of the d2 community doesn't have basic self respect yet worries about devs "harassed" by unkind tweet in a place where average Twitter user gets monthly death threat from 14 year old incels, it's a miracle the level of respect this community gives for the shite they produce, no wonder no one from the devs take the players seriously

It’s putting chill dudes in a toxic, chaotic environment and expecting everyone to be happy.

Toxic Feedback Loop could very well be the problem, but even then, they all have to start somewhere. And I'd have say it starts with the product/service being sold

Coming to a feedback forum for basically any game and finding toxicity is like going to the ocean and finding sand. People are toxic, not the community. But it's a lot easier for others to just rail against "the community" than it is to call out specific people, especially with name and shame rules.