Im quite patient and rarely get super pissed about something Bungie does (last time I was this upset was the XP scam BS in Y1 for reference) but seriously this alone is enough to turn me off for a fair amount of time if they go through with this. Reverting back to one of the most hated things about D1Y1 is not ok. Do not take us back 6 damn years because you guys can't figure out a way to make weapons more diverse and unique along with enemies in a similar respect. If you're worried about these guns being too much later on then how about you add new base mechanics to literally all enemies in the game? That alone could fix the issue along with several other issues on top of it. Come on Bungie I love you guys, been with you since I was a kid with Halo and generally support you guys even if I dont agree with something But this? 0 support, 0 love, 0 tolerance on this one even conceptually. Completely unacceptable on so many levels.

Nope. Disagree. Same thing happened in destiny 1. People only ran certain guns for ages until they were stopped and then we found new favorites. Hung Jury easily replaced the VoC. Eysluna replaced the FB. Need to freshen up the game. This is a solid way to do it.

Exactly, man. They aren't slick. They think just because they "give" Trials back, they can take ALL YOUR SH!T away from you. Yeah yeah..."but it doesn't matter in regular crucible" They have been doing this since day effin one... Give one small thing and take away TEN BIG THINGS. Definitely gonna lose A TON of players over this STUPID ASS move. LET PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME HOW [u]THEY[/u] WANT TO PLAY THE DAMN GAME!

I'm trying to take more of a wait and see approach but the more I think about it the more I don't like it. And honestly I couldn't agree with you more. 42 thoooooouuuuuuuusand kills on my Bygones and I'm not going to be able to use it for very long if I play Trials. I got the outlaw/killclip range masterwork bygones. I used it for like 2 weeks before I went back to the Drifter one because that's the one I've been using and its the one I want to use. I've just never understood the attitude like we will be thankful for being forced to use something we don't want to use. I'm also not going to use a shotgun that often and I'm never going to use a fusion rifle no matter how broken they make them. I'm not going to get legend this season because I told myself no shotgun and no ohk and if I'm not good enough to get it when everyone else is using that garbage then oh the -blam!- well. I don't even know what exotic it is that makes hunters disappear when they dodge. I don't know which one turns other peoples' radar off. I've never used stompees. I'm sure I have all of those exotics but I don't use them because that's not my playstyle. There's enough people who like switching to the hunter cheese du jour that those of us who don't want to should be left alone. I've used freaking foetracer since the game came out because that's the way I like to play... foetracer. I know they aren't messing with exotics, I'm just saying this to make my point. It doesn't seem like they are giving much credit to the people who put themselves at a disadvantage so they can play the way the want to. I do absolutely not like pretty much any OHK anything unless its a sniper rifle and I'm never going to. They've been pulling this crap for a while now by making stuff so OP that people have to switch to it and I guess they've decided that there are still too many of us that are holdouts. It may work out in the end but I'm not someone who likes being commanded what to do by a videogame and feeling like I'm being micromanaged. There will never be a time where I say to myself, "Oh golly gee I nevuh knew I'd like this fusion rifle one hit crap, I's so thankfuh. BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY LIKE THAT.

A better option would be to nerf the top weapon and add a new one. If they want people to desire and farm that new weapon. Example. Spare rations make aim assist go from 92 —> 63 and reduce the handling/stability on it by 20%. Now introduce a similar weapon that has better stats that people will want. You can still use that old spare rations but the new weapon will be better without introducing power creep. This solves their problem without removing our ability to use said weapon.

The moment this actually goes live, if it does, I'm done with this game. It's already starting to feel like a mistake returning to the game recently. Why would I ever want to regrind another weapon, which is essentially just a new skin of my current weapon with a bigger number on top, for the exact same rolls I already have and will want again?

I feel like that one design choice invalidates a ton of my play time and makes me never want to chase a god roll again. For instance I love Beloved. Was a LDR user in D1. I have been grinding Tranquilities since Shadow Keep dropped. 165 to date. I have some near perfect rolls, but not a perfect one yet. So the grind continues- until now. With their upcoming model it would be devalued in 6 months from now. Also ritual weapons. Not everyone has time to grind them immediately. I don’t care for strikes or gambit but will do them for a ritual I really want - not anymore. As a pvp player this game to me is about getting good and finding said gear to help me do that. This is mostly grinding god rolls for your loudout. Now there’s no point to the later for me. All this is going to do is promote lazy design. They’ll retire a weapon and then make a clone of it so you can go grind another 50 hours for said weapon. I can see it now. Mindbenders Ambition is retired but there’s a hot new void shot gun from the new gambit six man activity called Brainturners Motivation, with the exact same stats, same gun model and two different perk options. No one liked this system in D1 and they eventually brought all the retired weapons back anyways. You would have two different versions of LDR in your vault. The Y1 version that was locked at 165 and the current version at 365. Exact same guns - just one is locked at a lower light level. This is just a way for them to make the least amount of content possible and stretch year 4 before the release of D3.

How every body on these post's dose not seem to under stand. And I blame Luke Smith for his lack of clarity. The weapons are not going away. they will still exist forever. You just will not be able to take them past a certain power level, So they will not stay viable in. ASPIRING , PINNACLE, TIER EVENTS. how many of you take your spare rations into the raid. Or take Luna's Howl into Master Nightfalls. If there are any , Then i bet it's very few. The open world and crucible power level does not matter. So you can run whatever weapon and load out you want to run. Think About it . regular strikes Power level doesn't matter. Public events Power level doesn't matter Lost sectors Power level doesn't matter regular Nightfalls Power level doesn't matter. Do you guy's understand yet. I'ts only Pinnacle event's , And guess what I am not taking ether doctor into the raid. I can't believe there is this much confusion over this subject. Again if the director's cut was more direct and explanative there would not be this much salt on the forum

Yeah i use weapons cause i like them, both handling and looks. Plus i like having my different classes have different setups to fit different themes that fit the class. I'll yield to swapping an exotic for a raid or running weapons that let me deal with champions. But even then i try to keep it fitting to my playstyle. I'd much rather they just add new perks to the random pools of existing weapons than impose infusion caps on them. Let us decide if a new perk is worth it or not. I'd also add that I'm soooo close to finally getting Mountaintop as i finally decided to be "that guy" after cringing for months about stooping so low. Point being I'm not a sweaty hardcore gamer and this changed would lock me out of future content as i literally won't have the time to grind out the latest meta. The current system is much superior as i can join a raid with weapons that are still perfectly serviceable, just not the latest greatest meta and that's fine when I'm not trying to set a record 1 phasing the newest raid boss. Plus if the new pinnacles have quests that are as much a PITA as Mountaintop + they'll have a cap I'll just pass entirely on that grind.

I paid for ornaments and have kill trackers on these weapons. I don't want to lose them.

This happened in D1 and people were phased. You know what they did? They allowed you to infuse them later on as if they gave us some sort of gift. This is no different than taking our entire vault only to give it back in pieces. It’s a shitty tactic to make the game feel tougher.

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As someone who tried to use everything, this like the biggest middle finger I personally could have ever been given. First they go down Fomo with a bad direction for the game (and seemingly want to pull back a bit, but who tf cares by now) Next they ignore the vault for a second Y3 in a row. And Finally, make the act of collecting anything pointless as it will all become obsolete so that meta exploiters can be forced to try new things. 70+ loadouts littered with old gear and this is what I get? a Cease and Desist on ever patting the dust off any of them. Why even play this game anymore... I was actually interested in Trials because of my Dreaming City/Oathkeeper armor set combined with Wish Ender that has become my go to for Crucible after I pursed dead Not Forgotten like a physco and now seeking Unbroken. Maybe I could defy the meta in the mode that imbedded it so far into PvP like a Thorn that it left a permanent scar. That build is set to die... My beloved OG Quickfang is set to die... My reason for playing this game at all anymore is set to die.