Let’s be civil cheers 👌🏻
To be as polite as possible. Stop saying it’s balanced.
It can map at 75m+ (all primaries except scouts suffer damage drop off at those ranges).
Having a charge time doesn’t matter when you have to use time to close the gap with a shotgun.
BACKUP PLAN EXISTS 🤡
Even with a charge time it outperforms nigh every primary.
Snipers are nice and all but niche against erentils.
Any PVP player worth their KD knows erentil needs to be nerfed. (If you’re on PC the meta is different and guns behave completely differently. So it’s a different story there).
Have you ever faced a stack of 2kd players with erentils? It ain’t fun. Good players with an erentil are near-unkillable if they’ve practiced with it. And chances are 6/6 of those players run backup-plan. The most busted perk in D2 right now (for a weapon probably).
And let’s be real for a second. 98% of people using erentil, use it because they know it’s the only thing they can use to “outplay” (I use that term loosely) “better” players.
Nearly every game in competitive I’ve played this season, the enemy team lose one round then switch to fusions. Why is that?
Did they just get bored of their loadouts?
They had the wrong weapon equipped maybe?
All 1000+ of those teams?
Edit 0: I’m not “just mad” that erentil killed me a few times. I’ve consistently had to change my playstyle up because erentil destroys the pace of a game. In saying that, I mean that it denies me the opportunity to utilise my primary more, because no primary has a TTK fast enough to challenge an erentil. The map sizes don’t help, they cater for erentils consistent range.
Edit 1: if you want proof go look through my clips. I have some of 70m kills. OR do the easy thing and just YouTube search it, there are hundreds of videos proving erentil can kill at those distances. (Most of my clips are sniper clips and there are hundreds of them so it’s an effort for us all).
Edit 2: I’d be happy with just a range nerf, I think it’s fair if someone is rushing you with a shotgun and you voop him into the ether then that’s HIS fault. BUT if my primary has damage drop off, and you one shot me.... that’s when it’s too much.
Edit 3: “So what if a special out performs a primary”. So I guess bungie should just take all the primaries out of the game then...? I don’t understand that logic. 🤔
Edit 4: please double check the comments to see if your ideas/points have been made already.
Edit 5: People keep telling me there’s no evidence without even bothering to look for themselves. There’s videos in privates and out of privates that prove the erentil can do what I’m saying it can.
Edit 6: the erentils damage at close range isn’t the issue, it’s the range it can consistently kill at, which makes primaries void. One user suggested more projectile spread and damage drop off past 20m which I can see working, considering shotgun kill ranges from full health are much less.
I’m glad that this reached a lot of people and I’ve had some decent discussion with quite a few. But please look throughout the thread before commenting stuff that’s being said or argued against and so forth. I’ll likely start ignoring people who are either repeating things or attacking my character when I’m hiding literally nothing lol. Someone called me a stat farmer when my most played game mode this season is comp. lol.
Have a good day.
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3 RepliesYou guys that say “if it was broken you would use it so it’s obviously balanced” no we would not. Anybody who is a solid player does not enjoy the most busted gun in the game. It does not feel rewarding to get a kill with a gun with no actual counter play but yet you complain about us using a handcannon shotgun combo. If our combo was so easy why is your most used weapon you fusion rifle? You’re trying to tell me shotgun is easier but you resort to a fusion? But you’re argument is “if erentil was op like you say you would use it” that makes no sense enjoy being trolls fighting to save a no skill playstyle.
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It’s literally just back up plan on high impact fusions. They become a special that can be utilized in every single situation
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[quote]Let’s be civil cheers 👌🏻 To be as polite as possible. Stop saying it’s balanced. It can map at 75m+ (all primaries except scouts suffer damage drop off at those ranges). Having a charge time doesn’t matter when you have to use time to close the gap with a shotgun. BACKUP PLAN EXISTS 🤡 Even with a charge time it outperforms nigh every primary. Snipers are nice and all but niche against erentils. Any PVP player worth their KD knows erentil needs to be nerfed. Have you ever faced a stack of 2kd players with erentils? It ain’t fun. Good players with an erentil are near-unkillable if they’ve practiced with it. And chances are 6/6 of those players run backup-plan. The most busted perk in D2 right now (for a weapon probably). And let’s be real for a second. 98% of people using erentil, use it because they know it’s the only thing they can use to “outplay” (I use that term loosely) “better” players. Nearly every game in competitive I’ve played this season, the enemy team lose one round then switch to fusions. Why is that? Did they just get bored of their loadouts? They had the wrong weapon equipped maybe? All 1000+ of those teams? Edit 1: if you want proof go look through my clips. I have some of 70m kills. OR do the easy thing and just YouTube search it, there are hundreds of videos proving erentil can kill at those distances. (Most of my clips are sniper clips and there are hundreds of them so it’s an effort for us all). Edit 2: I’d be happy with just a range nerf, I think it’s fair if someone is rushing you with a shotgun and you voop him into the ether then that’s HIS fault. BUT if my primary has damage drop off, and you one shot me.... that’s when it’s too much. Edit 3: “So what if a special out performs a primary”. So I guess bungie should just take all the primaries out of the game then...? I don’t understand that logic. 🤔 Edit 4: please double check the comments to see if your ideas/points have been made already. Have a good day.[/quote] I play a fair amount of crucible, kd is above 2 last I checked, I use all classes and play on console. Erentil is not broken. Let's look at each point in turn: It can not map at 75m, not even with high impact on the last shot. I have multiple perfect rolls, a lucky shot may get 35 - 40m but the majority of kills will be in the 20 - 25m range. Outplaying fusions is about map positioning, not aping. You must stick close to cover, peak shoot to force them to move or use corners to shotty. Charge time is very relevant, it's also predictable which you can use to your advantage. Eg. Time a dodge. Snipers dont play well against fusions unless you're a very good sniper as the fusion controls the distance in 1v1. In team scenarios, snipers are excellent counters as fusions have to stay on the ground and be slow moving for a short time - a snipers dream. Backup plan is a problem, not erentil. It's an exotic perk and shouldn't roll on high impact fusions, it's fine on low impact. A 6 stack of 2kd's will outplay regardless of what they're using. I would rather go against 6 fusions than 1 fusion, 1 snipe and 4 shottys. 98% do not use erentil. I dont think it's even a top 5 weapon for kills. People switch to fusions because they're easy to use (eg no headshots) have a ttk the same as top primaries. If someone switches loadouts, it's likely something they dont use as often and end up playing worse.
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2 RepliesI actually stopped playing crucible because of erentil and I know there is going to be someone triggered by the comment involve nerfing the range of fusions cause there always is and yes not everyone runs into constant fusions so the said comment above might not apply to you but there are those that have whether it be erentil telesto the rebuke I dont count the jotunn cause it's just a tracking fireball but the range you can get with some of these other fusions is ridiculous. Fusuins are meant to be the same as shotties not equal to that of some scout and snipers.
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2 RepliesIt’s an alright argument, but where are the facts? No evidence, no proven points. Just empty statements.
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Awwwwww... Why did you edit the title? :D
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Edited by Eucadia: 1/6/2020 12:16:23 AMSame old argument dressed up to look like a new one.... > "I found that Weapon X has Ability Y" > "I believe Y is OP" > Conclusion: "X is also OP and needs a nerf." (in this case: X = Erentil, Y = "kills consistently from 70m") At no point in your argument are you offering any data to prove that "Y" is powerful enough (compared with other weapons' abilities) to make "X" "OP" or even a top weapon... all you're offering is an opinion. The only thing people like you accomplish by making those "Erentil 70m kill videos" is show that a specific perk combination + very controlled factors can have the possibility (granted decent RNG in the burst pattern, and the enemy standing still) to result in a 70m kill. That is in no way reliable or consistent. And even if I were to grant you that Erentil can reliably kill from 70m (ignoring all the pre-requisites needed), according to %kills and %usage stats on Comp and multiple PvP gamemodes, such an ability isn't sufficient to make Erentil a Top weapon: https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights
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6 Replies[quote]Let’s be civil cheers 👌🏻 To be as polite as possible. Stop saying it’s balanced.[/quote] I cannot stop telling the truth. [quote]It can map at 75m+ (all primaries except scouts suffer damage drop off at those ranges).[/quote] Where it also suffers dropoff, and it isn't killing a real person (except at extreme outliers of low skill) at beyond about 30-35 meters... [quote]Having a charge time doesn’t matter when you have to use time to close the gap with a shotgun.[/quote] "Why can't I blindly ape a gun that's supposed to be good at killing blind shotgun apes?" [quote]BACKUP PLAN EXISTS 🤡[/quote] Eh, fair enough, I'd actually be excited if it was moved to be exclusive to Plan C. [quote]Even with a charge time it outperforms nigh every primary. Snipers are nice and all but niche against erentils.[/quote] "Why doesn't my Spam Cannon beat literally everything?" It's supposed to outperform primaries... It's a Special Weapon, just as shotguns are supposed to outperform SMGs, and anyone at this "Super amazing K/D level" that you insist "everyone" within that bracket can dome someone with slugs or a sniper before Erentil can finish charging... [quote]Any PVP player worth their KD knows erentil needs to be nerfed.[/quote] Basing your arguments off of an arbitrary number doesn't strengthen your argument. [quote]Have you ever faced a stack of 2kd players with erentils?[/quote] Statistically EXTREMELY unlikely. FRs as a class are around 2% usage on PC. [quote]It ain’t fun.[/quote] Neither are stacks of Spam Cannon/Shotgun, but I digress there. [quote]Good players with an erentil are near-unkillable if they’ve practiced with it.[/quote] Same with almost every single other weapon in the game. [quote]And chances are 6/6 of those players run backup-plan.[/quote] Do you have statistical data backing your claim? Or is this from the good old rectal cavity? [quote]The most busted perk in D2 right now (for a weapon probably).[/quote] The Last Word would... Well, like a word with you. [quote]And let’s be real for a second. 98% of people using erentil, use it because they know it’s the only thing they can use to “outplay” (I use that term loosely) “better” players.[/quote] Abd 98% of the time someone uses a Spam Cannon, it's because they know that they're extremely easy to use. And I actually have statistical data backing me up here, since looking at Guardian.gg, Spam Cannons on all platforms account for about 30-35% of all kills in almost every gamemode, across all platforms. FRs as a class are 1-2% of all kills on PC, around 8% on console. Statistically, shotguns are easier to use, therefore more popular. [quote]Nearly every game in competitive I’ve played this season, the enemy team lose one round then switch to fusions. Why is that?[/quote] Again, any real statistical evidence from somewhere not your rectal cavity? Because I can tell you that I 100% didn't see that last season when I got Randy's, Mountaintop, and Luna's, or previous seasons with Revoker and Recluse. [quote]Did they just get bored of their loadouts?[/quote] Maybe they saw you blindly Shotgun/Spam Cannon aping and knew you wouldn't adapt to the Fusions? [quote]They had the wrong weapon equipped maybe?[/quote] Considering your post, probably, Erentil seems to 100% hard counter your loadout and playstyle choice. [quote]All 1000+ of those teams?[/quote [/quote] More stats from the rectal cavity. [quote]Edit 1: if you want proof go look through my clips. I have some of 70m kills. OR do the easy thing and just YouTube search it,[/quote] All of the 70+ meter kills I've seen have had Firmly Planted and Tap the Trigger active, and have been on a completely stationary target in a private match, it's not a realistic scenario to be basing your nerf posts off of. [quote]there are hundreds of videos proving erentil can kill at those distances. (Most of my clips are sniper clips and there are hundreds of them so it’s an effort for us all).[/quote] And almost all of them are private match testing, vastly overestimating the range, or are against someone who's dying in 1 hit from damn near anything. [quote]Edit 2: I’d be happy with just a range nerf, I think it’s fair if someone is rushing you with a shotgun and you voop him into the ether then that’s HIS fault. BUT if my primary has damage drop off, and you one shot me.... that’s when it’s too much.[/quote] Uhhhhhhhhh, All fusions lose their luster against human targets barely after Spam Cannons fall off, Pulses, Scouts, and 360 ARs can still outrange the FRs pretty easily. [quote]Edit 3: “So what if a special out performs a primary”. So I guess bungie should just take all the primaries out of the game then...? I don’t understand that logic. 🤔[/quote] Special Weapons are more specialized and generally limited than most primaries. For example, SMGs and Sidearms have an edge in range, and aren't handicapped by ammo as much, so they're more flexible than a Shotgun, at the cost of raw lethality. FRs are the same, but pitted against Spam Cannons, non-360 ARs, and low range PRs. And Snipers are the same for everything that you can use the scope well against. [quote]Have a good day.[/quote] You too, but you've summoned me.
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28 Replies1.41% is the usage rate on destiny tracker. If it's so OP, why don't more people use it?
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Next time, just type "i dont like Erentil". Short and simple.
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Yeah.... [spoiler]but did you die?[/spoiler]
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No nerfs. Keep changing your playstyle. Sorry you can't run and gun
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What even are you talking about?
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This is *Renewed Focus 🙃
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13 RepliesIt is disgusting to see all you erentil abusers defend the most broken gun in the game. I’m sick of your excuse “erentil counters shotgun” or “you used dust rock and NF” if shotguns and handcannons were so busted like you say why can’t any of you use them? Enjoy hiding in spawn with a pulse rifle erentil and pretending it takes any skill at all.
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4 RepliesSo many delusional idiots on this post, its literally incredible how much you are oblivious to the fact that this gun is broken. Its my second most used gun this season because I use it for jokes cause of how obscene it is.
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Lol (clown emoji)
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61 RepliesCalls out 2.0 kd.... check Hidden game history.... check Complains about one weapon.... check Yea, no one cares
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So what you mean is ... nerf fusion rifles
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2 RepliesErentil takes a lot of skill, let me explain. Back up plan requires you to play around it. If you are used to the charge time of a normal fusion you would miss the shot right after you pull it out if it had backup plan. Backup plan is the only viable option to shut down shotgun apes like you. Stop complaining about the most balanced weapon type in all of destiny. 🤡
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[quote]Let’s be civil cheers 👌🏻 To be as polite as possible. Stop saying it’s balanced. It can map at 75m+ (all primaries except scouts suffer damage drop off at those ranges). Having a charge time doesn’t matter when you have to use time to close the gap with a shotgun. BACKUP PLAN EXISTS 🤡 Even with a charge time it outperforms nigh every primary. Snipers are nice and all but niche against erentils. Any PVP player worth their KD knows erentil needs to be nerfed. Have you ever faced a stack of 2kd players with erentils? It ain’t fun. Good players with an erentil are near-unkillable if they’ve practiced with it. And chances are 6/6 of those players run backup-plan. The most busted perk in D2 right now (for a weapon probably). And let’s be real for a second. 98% of people using erentil, use it because they know it’s the only thing they can use to “outplay” (I use that term loosely) “better” players. Nearly every game in competitive I’ve played this season, the enemy team lose one round then switch to fusions. Why is that? Did they just get bored of their loadouts? They had the wrong weapon equipped maybe? All 1000+ of those teams? Edit 0: I’m not “just mad” that erentil killed me a few times. I’ve consistently had to change my playstyle up because erentil destroys the pace of a game. In saying that, I mean that it denies me the opportunity to utilise my primary more, because no primary has a TTK fast enough to challenge an erentil. The map sizes don’t help, they cater for erentils consistent range. Edit 1: if you want proof go look through my clips. I have some of 70m kills. OR do the easy thing and just YouTube search it, there are hundreds of videos proving erentil can kill at those distances. (Most of my clips are sniper clips and there are hundreds of them so it’s an effort for us all). Edit 2: I’d be happy with just a range nerf, I think it’s fair if someone is rushing you with a shotgun and you voop him into the ether then that’s HIS fault. BUT if my primary has damage drop off, and you one shot me.... that’s when it’s too much. Edit 3: “So what if a special out performs a primary”. So I guess bungie should just take all the primaries out of the game then...? I don’t understand that logic. 🤔 Edit 4: please double check the comments to see if your ideas/points have been made already. Edit 5: People keep telling me there’s no evidence without even bothering to look for themselves. There’s videos in privates and out of privates that prove the erentil can do what I’m saying it can. Edit 6: the erentils damage at close range isn’t the issue, it’s the range it can consistently kill at, which makes primaries void. One user suggested more projectile spread and damage drop off past 20m which I can see working, considering shotgun kill ranges from full health are much less. I’m glad that this reached a lot of people and I’ve had some decent discussion with quite a few. But please look throughout the thread before commenting stuff that’s being said or argued against and so forth. I’ll likely start ignoring people who are either repeating things or attacking my character when I’m hiding literally nothing lol. Someone called me a stat farmer when my most played game mode this season is comp. lol. Have a good day.[/quote] People stat farm in comp.
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Real 2.0 + k/d users dont use that gun man. They use a shotgun or sniper.
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Hmmmm wouldn't a stronger kick (rapid upward weapon movement while unloading its charge) reduce efficacy at range while maintaining efficacy in close range....
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Spot F*cking on. I HATE this weapon. Those who say it’s balanced are typically trash anyway or the ones who can only hit legend with it and can’t hold their own any other way.
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While it should be nerfed, Bungie won’t nerf it because everyone who works there is garbage at PvP and crutches it. Same with contraverse hold.
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Don't try to be reasonable, it will not work in here. The devs don't give a -blam!-, the community managers maybe put a copy paste comment here(pass along the feedback bla bla) and nothing changes. Look at PC crucible, especially comp filled with hackers, some gets banned but you always see ppl who are a little suspicious. Iam not a good pvp player i don't even know my stats, but anyone can tell that fusion rifles with high range stat are broken. But there are other broken weapons out there. And broken matchmaking, and broken team balancing, still p2p connection, zero reward system/yay i got 10 cores for Valor reser/ can't -blam!-ing imagine how it feels when an actuall skilled player hits 5500 and gets nothing. Not even a -blam!-ing pinnacle reward. So either playerbase needs to drop drastically to see another big change again(what was it called. Go faster update?), or big changes in bungie HQ.