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Edited by Nebutronical:
2/15/2019 7:22:47 AM
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RNG has destroyed this game for me. Time to move on.
As most do, let me preface this by saying I'm a beta D1 player, been there, done that etc. I stopped playing D1 the day I found out about D2 being a new game rather than a continuation and didn't return until Forsaken. Having not played any of the vanilla game, COO or Warmind, I had a lot to catch up on and my initial month or two back in the game were a lot of fun.
However, I'm leaving again, mainly to keep my sanity. Bungie, if you wish for this franchise to survive, these forums have a treasure trove of insights for you to trawl and I won't repeat everything you need to do in order to maintain interest.
But for me, as a LOOTER SHOOTER with RPG aspirations, my main issue is the INSANE RNG aspects of gear drops. For example:
- 40-45 riven kills - no One Thousand Voices
- 15-18 shattered throne clears (can't remember how many, but quite a lot) - no ship
- god knows how many gambit games - no ship
After a point, player's pursuits go from excitement, to frustration, to apathy. Look at games like Diablo 3 - loot drops are still RNG, but the percentages aren't anywhere near as bad. But we keep going back to that as drops get different roles so you keep trying to get perfect stats.
Anyway, I'm not expecting any kind of response and by this stage, I'm sure you've heard this feedback already, but just wanted to add from my perspective, why I'm going to be moving on. I may be back for Destiny 3 if you can make some radical improvements to the game.
EDIT: if Bungie do reply to this it would be amazing to have a response which isn’t just ‘we will pass feedback on’. I’d genuinely like the RNG algorithm explained a bit, because it really does feel broken
EDIT2: I know this is the internet, and trolls be trolling, but please refrain from the classic ‘stop whining posts’ as it just makes you look a bit silly. Legitimate criticism is fine but 10 year old level trolls are just lame.
EDIT3: it saddens and amazes me how many trolls there are on this forum! I know they’re either little kids or just sad pathetic losers who I will just ignore from here on, but it frankly baffles me why people reply to comments they think they’ve read, but haven’t, or just absolutely trying to wind up. Very sad these losers exist and have a platform to speak on the internet.
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The key issue is Bungie does not like giving a player a control of its grind outcomes. If it gives more control and makes the results more transparent then people get real a understanding of whats needed and a lot will think this x is not worth the bother. RNG algorithms can be tuned in a whole range(look at any basic numerical modelling or statistics book) of ways. Bungie should tune their algorithms such that after a player has done an activity a number of times the probability of a drop is increased, if they still do not get the drop after more attempts then rinse and repeat increasing the probability of success each time. It would be a great outcome for both Bungie's reputation and a huge player stress reducer if they change it and players can target an outcome.
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8 RepliesI'm curious... not saying that I disagree or agree... but I'm curious: What happens when you GET 1000 voices? What incentive do you have to play after that? I mean, at some point, if you put enough hours in... it just seems like you'd basically "have everything" and if you have everything... then what do you do? I played a lot in year 1... and left, because I basically had everything. There really wasn't much to play for or challenging things to do. Now there are quite a few things that put a road block in front of people. Back in year 1, people complained hardcore because there was no reason to grind... nothing to get. Now people are complaining hardcore because of the grind, even when there's something legendary and awesome to get. I talked to a guy that has over 130 Last Wish raid clears and still doesn't have 1000 voices. Compared to your grind, his is absolutely crazy... yet he still plays and enjoys it. So I'm wondering, if you have what you want regarding gear... then what?
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If Destiny was a girl, she would be singing: “Thank you...next, I’m so grateful for my Ex.” Lol Destiny will never Netflix and Chill, she’s a big tease. She’ll make you drive 100miles to hang out only to close the door on you at the end of the night and not invite you inside for a “drink” or “coffee”. If you think that getting to fourth base was a possibility, player...you are not getting a happy ending. No breakfast in bed. No walk of shame, it’s just gonna be the walk to your car without the shame. Think: Long cold shower. If Destiny had another name...it would be Maryjane, cause player, she knows you are hooked, and even if you left—You’ll beee baaaaccckkk.
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1 Reply40 last wish clears still no 1000 voices
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2 RepliesEdited by $hirtless Captain Kirk: 2/14/2019 12:33:23 AMYeah starting to the think these titles are total bullshit. Even though I've put in all the hard work, I have DICK to show for it, and can't complete my trophies for the damn game.
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Agreed. RNG is currently part of what is driving me away. I have clan mates getting good exotics frequently. If I get any it’s usually 1-2 a month and it’s a repeat. Makes no sense. Then add to that how broken match making is and no fix coming it looks like time for a change. The things like spawn trapping, etc. while annoying will never go away because there are plenty of shoddy players out there who enjoy it. I left COD and BLACK OPS because of that trash but it’s just as prevalent here. The only difference I’m seeing is here there aren’t as many 8 year olds cussing like a sailor.
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2 RepliesNot trolling here, but what about RNG do you think should change? Is it the, "Random," part? Would you prefer just guaranteed drops? And if there was no randomness to it, how long do you think it would take the average Destiny player to complete any new content? A couple weeks, to a month maybe?
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2 RepliesWait....there's a ghost, sparrow, and ship from gambit???
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2 RepliesI don’t mind RNG, but when you spend months trying to get one item, then that’s just silly.
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2 RepliesBungie needs to see and respond to this!!!
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I only have one character, so only having two shots at Jötunn per week is excruciating. I used to have a warlock, and s hunter but I deleted them before Forsaken because I didn't want have to play through everything 3 times.
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Congratulations on leaving the game. You will soon feel a refreshing feeling like overcoming an unhealthy addiction. Then you will realize that these Forums are more fun than the game itself.
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The part of the RNG that got me to leave was the power level. I can take the RNG drops, I can take the RNG roles, but when they decided to make endgame loot drops RNG power levels that was the beginning of the end for me. I remember running kingsfall hard mode the first time and getting a drop that was lower than the normal level gear and I never ran the raid again. I've played off and on since then but dropped it completely a few months back and don't plan on coming back, although I do enjoy the forums. Adding that extra level of RNG was the clearest statement in my mind that they were more concerned with arbitrary grinds than enjoyment. If they change the system back I may consider coming back, but this just might not be the kind of game for me anymore. I believe they could fix the numbers to where once you hit a certain number of completions with no drop for specific items your odds of getting it skyrocket. Either way, agreed.
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I've been making feedback post and comments about this for weeks. Bungie doesn't care. I'm just doing milestones to get PE and once my other two char are 650 I'll stop playing and wait until the next dlc. I was going to work on LH, something I can get, but what's the point.
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the utter lack of bad luck protection makes this a full casino slot machine with every pull gets old unless you love that kind of 'I just wasted my time' style of rewards I personally vastly prefer deterministic reward systems and 100% dupe protection if there is anything casino'ish
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2 Repliessame but i think all the bad luck iv had in destiny will add up one day and ill win the lottery or something... kinda like karma.
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If they fixed the duplicates issue, it would be a non issue. Don't you get it...limited content, endless grinding.?? Sad but true. Very sad.
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2 RepliesShite RNG is another reason as to why Destiny is failing.
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3 RepliesOver 50 Last Wish chests opened and no 1k me either. Kind of ridiculous at this point.
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Destiny isn’t a looter shooter rpg anymore. As Luke Smith described it with his own words, Destiny is a “collectibles game.”
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1 ReplyIt wasn’t only rng that destroyed this game.
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11 RepliesBungie seems to believe the future of Destiny and their studio resides in their "hardcore" customers who revel in the excessive grind, and berate those who present [i]logical[/i] arguments against said excessive grind. I'm really looking forward to seeing how that works out for Bungie and those elitist "hardcores" when the "bread and butter" demographic walks away and doesn't come back. Do the maths.
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Yep I totally get what your saying. 31 scourge of the past clears and still haven’t got the anarchy. If it ever does drop I’m not even gonna be excited about the drop just frustrated that it didn’t happen in a reasonable time
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Edited by Squirt Lagurski: 2/14/2019 4:51:08 AMI just posted something about their RNG on the feedback forum. I have ran the Tree of Probabilities more times than I can imagine but the DFA still has not dropped. Supposedly the more I run it and dont get it the higher my chances of getting it goes up. Just this week I have done it about 30 times. I do this every time it is the nightfall since D2 came out. That is just one example of the terrible RNG system. Even worst they decide to lock titles/seals behind RNG which to me was just a complete disappointment. I have completed every single triumph including flawless solo of the Shattered Throne but still dont have cursebreaker.
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4 RepliesBungie think by throttling rewards it'll slow progression, thus keeping minimal content (recent dlcs) active. In reality, there's only so many times u are going to try before you say F#ck it! Looter shooters need to deliver loot, else they reside as just shooters. I used to be of the attitude of forgiving Bungie on a repeated basis, because I loved destiny. But that love affair is one step away from divorce atm. The game currently lacks content, pvp is just luna and shotgun madness, and the forges suck ass. Gambit is the stuff that comes from the ass that's just been sucked! Unless something decent lands on the doorstep pretty darn soon, then Anthem will be my new mistress Fed up with the bs that destiny has become
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10 RepliesIf everything was easy to get then there would be ppl would be leaving because they have everything and its now boring, u cant get everything unless u grind it out, i still dont have 1k voices but im still going for it and enjoying it.
