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Edited by Packis:
6/30/2016 9:42:49 PM
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Derek Carrol (Senior Crucible Designer) Expresses his thoughts on "Mythical" SBMM.
Here is a twitter page I got linked to, look at how hesitant this guy is to be polite and connect with the fans.
The initial tweet was a response from Derek to a random user that asked how he could make it so he wasn't getting sweaty matches that are really laggy. Derek replied with "Try strikes?" Basically saying "-blam!- you and i'll do what I want."
He is defending SBMM. This is probably the attitude of every crucible designer in the building, at this rate we will never get SBMM completely removed.
They admitted to adding it, for unbiased data
Now the SBMM is "Mythical?"
Bull shit, we have been yanked around and slammed against the walls like ragdolls by the constant lying.
We need a better source of acknowledgement. We need to move towards a solution, and that is by removing SBMM. Who cares about being matched based on skill if there are no ranked playlists?
Nobody ever asked for SBMM or the new connection settings that made it extremely difficult to play, it's very frustrating too.
We need SBMM removed.
Reconsider your stance Derek, for the sake of the fans, a lot of people would come back to play again if Skill based connection settings were removed and reverted to y1 settings.
Please vote up so this can be seen by Bungie.
EDIT: To those who disagree, you're either a troll. Or blind to the fact that the connection settings in destiny are heavily effecting the customers experience. The MM settings are to blame, they admitted to removing it, but this is a lie. Nothing has changed after their supposed "removal" of skill based connection settings. It has only been worse since. To deny this fact constitutes a delusional mind.
It is however not delusional whatsoever to think that the way the people against SBMM are not very friendly in their ways.
I'm not saying we should do anything to Derek besides help convince him to implement CBMM completely. Remember in reach when you played without preferences, every match had a good connection. There were only one or two games where Highly skilled players would wreck you, but it was far less often than destiny's consistency.
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Edited by RavenousLD3341: 6/30/2016 3:13:29 PM
Started a new topic: Crucible is such a miserable expirence(218 Replies))
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I have always liked the idea of SBMM and to be fair I always fall lucky as I've never had any real issues with lag (this might be down to my late night play times) but why cant we have both! would it not be possible to incorporate both SBMM and CBMM? On a side note Mr Bungie... If I find a random group of players who do well together stop bloody splitting us up 🙃
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2 Replieswere at a weird place where SBMM can make even sweaty games but it also prevents you from being matched up with Destiny gods who have T1 business lines and get payed to play destiny. unfortunately the current system is not working and in trials people will elos less then 1000 are being matched up against professional diamond league 1% players. to be fair i like SBMM i just wish there as a 20% difference in ranks match ups. i LOVE versing other people within my skill because i can improve. when i fight pros they literally peel the skin off me with shotguns before i even see them. in trials we need better SBMM really really really badly that or more scrubs need to play trials because the pool is over saturated with pros. in regular crucible i dont think we need SBMM just in stuff like iron banana and trials of shotguns.
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8 RepliesI find it hilarious when people bitch about SBMM. To me, it's like you're admitting you're not good enough to beat good players and that if you have good stats, they're inflated AF from pub stomping randoms while in a group. I literally picture you people throwing a tantrum on the floor like a two year that just got cut off from the cookie jar. I mean, hahaha, people wonder why gamers have a reputation for being entitled cry babies. (now quick, SBMM haters look at my stats and act like I'm new and didn't just switch from PS4 to X1...)
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I can sorta see where he's coming from, but I don't think this is the best way of approaching this. While the playerbase is getting smaller that doesn't give you the right to kick back in your chair and watch the world burn. If you have the power to make some sort of positive change (regardless of its significance), you should do it.
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I just wish I could play with my friends. But since they are all better than me I don't stand a chance in a lobby with them. I do fine on my own.
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I swear those bungholes bury my threads.
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237 RepliesDisagree. The dev is absolutely right...and is having to act as Kindergarten teacher and referee to a group of ill-mannered children hell bent on throwing temper tantrums. 1. The game has ALWAYS had some form of SBMM. The only PvP activity that ever had CBMM was Trials when it first dropped last year. So people are arguing for something that never existed. 2. You have skilled players who are simply arguing for their "right" to beat up on weak players...and their FRIENDS not to have to get beaten up by better players when playing with them. BUT NEVER STOP TO THINK OR CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL EXPERIENCE WHEN THROWN IN WITH THEM WITH NO CONSIDERATION TO SKILL. So their "fun" comes at the expense of the enjoyment of someone else. 3. He's right about the impact of "custom matches" on the player base. Part of the reason why LAG is such an issue right now is because the player base is shrinking. What do you think will happen to MM times and latency issues in public matches with the player base is carved up among lots of little playlists? That's one fo the mistakes that Respawn made that led to Titanfall's demise. YOU may not care about this. But if the devs want this game to survive and be healthy, they don't have the luxury of "not caring."
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71 RepliesIf you're average don't complain or even say a peep about sbmm.
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1. Get better internet. 2. Accept that it is ok to lose from time to time. 3. Find something important to be to upset about if you feel the need to be angry. 4. Try a strike, maybe? 5. Eat more garlic bread.
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Derek is a twat as nd is horrible at his own game. He should be fired after his arrogant antagonist comments.
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Edited by daveg35: 7/5/2016 1:06:45 PMThey said they changed it and gave more emphasis on cbmm. They didn't say they completely removed it. Am I the only one that gets tired of whiny posts like this that try to prove how bad we are being treated? Edit- Actually I think the guy a couple posts below me said it pretty well. Just read his post.
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When exactly did they say they removed SBMM? Fact is they didn't, they said they shifted the focus toward CBMM to mitigate connection problems...never did they say it had been removed. I love his stance, f the forum whiners, they're the people ruining the game...
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2 RepliesSounds legit. Anybody who disagrees with you is either a troll or stupid. Clown. Muted.
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5 RepliesI guess the concept of proper PR and respecting the player is also "mythical". Or so it seems anymore with Bungie.
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1 ReplyIn my opinion, there [i]should be SBMM[/i]. It should be a separate, ranked playlist. Then there should be another playlist with the same gametypes that have no ranks, no SBMM, and is connection based, or some other match creation method that would help avoid the SBMM problems.
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9 RepliesDo this if you are on Xbox One or PS4. When you see some clearly bad BS that happens like lag (which is common) record it. Crop it. The consoles have the tools for it. Upload it to YouTube. Send them to him on Twitter and blow it up. This is the best way to get results. Clear evidence that shiitt is not working as intended. Bad matchmaking and lag all over social media is not good for any company. Put it out there. Not come here and complain. You have the tools at your disposal. Start hitting record and posting it in their faces.
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1 ReplyEvery time they update crucible or make changes , they mess up so bad, pre April update, crucible was good I was having fun, then after its terrible. Gets slightly better and is getting to okay levels again, and then June update comes out, terrible just such a bad update.
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Told that clown on Twitter to remove SBMM and fix trials and he blocked me hahaha...cool guy
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1 ReplyI barely bother now with crucible, imagine playing on shitty Australian internet (bad enough normally) then add to that getting matched with people overseas, theres no point in playing...
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I wanna fight him
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How bout them strikes.......
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1 ReplyYa'll should of picked up BF4 when it was on sale sale for $4.49 E3 week. Want to play BF4? Pick a server. A dedicated server. NO lag. DROPS MIC
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I think there should be skill based matchmaking in iron banner and trials, but for normal crucible there should be connection based
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Edited by Truthiness_Inc: 7/1/2016 5:53:12 PMWhat lpw kd people fail to realise is all these 'good players" will lose kd due to laggy bullshit matches and then be on your level. They will not have lost skill only kd but the game will match them with low skill players EVERY match, so these guys will CRUSH low skill players in dozens of matches without fail because the game thinks they are low skill. Then they will climb back into the lag leagues and lose kd again to lag and the rollercoaster of SBMM starts anew.
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1 Reply100% agree. Destiny pvp is in it's worst condition since release. Bungie dont seem to want to acknowledge this, in fact i dont think they even care. Sad but true.
