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Edited by littl n 10:
6/27/2016 8:33:39 PM
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What is Sword Logic?
I hear about it a lot on lore posts and I wanted to know what it is. Thanks!
Edit: Thanks guys! It seems to make sense now! I have some new questions now! When Oryx killed his sisters, was that in his throne world? Also, when he gained the power from killing them, did he lose that power when he willed them back in to existence? Do his sisters have their own throne world's? Did he have to kill them in their world's in order to gain their power?
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To answer the edit: No I don't know. They probably took it back Yes And yes
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1 ReplySword Logic is the Hive Philosophy that if you kill something, you prove that you are more powerful and therefore more deserving to exist.(Not to be confused with Killing Logic; if something can be killed, then it should be) This is what is believed(by the Hive at least) to be a constant law of the Universe. Higher ups in the Hive system use this philosophy not only to feed their Worms, but to insure that they will be apart of the Universe's Final Shape. A common misunderstanding of the Sword Logic is that it increases one's power the more they kill. The reason for this is because of examples in creatures like Oryx, Savathûn or Xivu Arath that increase their power through killing. This is because they made deals with the Worm Gods to take their Larvae into their body, and with every kill, they feed their Worm, making both it and them more powerful. As for your other questions, they were in Oryx's (Auryx at that time) Throne World when he killed his Sisters. No, Oryx didn't have to give back the power he gained from killing them when he revived his Sisters, if he gave away that amount of power, his Worm would most definitely eat his Soul. Yes his sisters had Throne Worlds, all major Hive do, but they didn't have to be in their Throne World to die and for him to gain their power. They were in a Sword World, a pocket in reality in which the Hive have bent the laws of reality to reflect the Sword Logic, (as well as where they establish their Thrones) but their deaths here were true deaths, and thus adequately feed his Worm.
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Sit down my child. Are you old enough to drink? No? Ok well you will be after this explanation....
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3 Replies[quote]I hear about it a lot on lore posts and I wanted to know what it is. Thanks! Edit: Thanks guys! It seems to make sense now! I have some new questions now! When Oryx killed his sisters, was that in his throne world? He kill them in his throne worlds, not his. In order to actually die, they need to be killed in the right own throne world. Also, when he gained the power from killing them, did he lose that power when he willed them back in to existence? We are not sure. Do his sisters have their own throne world's? Yes they do. Did he have to kill them in their world's in order to gain their power?[ From what people say, yes. Sword logic only works in the throne space. /quote]
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2 RepliesIn a nutshell the strongest survive and if you lose you deserve it. So it's the opposite of what we have here in the forums.
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Basically its survival of the fittest
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4 RepliesThe Sword Logic is declaring that you are better than what you killed, and because it got killed it does not deserve to exist. Oryx is especially good at this, as he made the Tithing System, which is as follows: A Thrall kills enough to grow, to feed their Worm, and a little for the Acolyte above them. Same thing with the Acolyte, the Knight/Wizard above them, the Harrowed above them, the Ascendant above them, and finally to the Gods (Oryx, Savathûn, Xivu Arath) :)
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14 RepliesSword logic and killing logic are essentially the sane with one major difference. Both can only be enacted within the throne world, and then sword logic only upon the owner of that throne world. Sword logic states that when you are killed by something else, that something else has more power than you which makes your existence null and void. This is how we were able to actually kill Crota in the raid and prevent him from ever returning. Killing logic allows you to become stronger within a throne world by killing denizens of that throne world. The logic then states you are more powerful than that creature so you now have that strength within the throne worlds. But killing logic does not cause the unexistence of the creature killed. It merely states you are stronger than they are. This is how Oryx was able to kill Savathun and Xivu Arath within his throne world, but bring them back later on. They weren't truly dead, they just had their physical bodies destroyed. Side note: only Ascendant Hive actually have the strength for their own throne world. Lesser Hive can only ascend by enacting killing and/or sword logic.
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2 RepliesFrom master Kage [spoiler][quote]1) I think you greatly misunderstand the sword logic. The sword logic is gaining power from your kills. [b]The more you kill, the stronger you become[/b]. It is you escaping the laws of reality through causing death. One application of the power you gain is being able to cut through space itself, and to carve out throne worlds as universes where you respawn to upon death, thus ensuring your survival. The main point though is it's all about gaining power and strength from killing. Examples: [quote]Quria deduced the sword logic. I have to kill everything, Quria resolved. Then I will be powerful. (Verse 4:9 — open your eye : go into it)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. (Verse 2:6 — The [b]Sword Logic[/b])[/quote] [quote]SAVATHÛN said, Auryx my brother and king, [b]I have studied the wounds cut by the Worm our God. Also I have studied the manner of your death and return. These two things are the same, for they are predicated on death and the passage through cut spaces. Let us practice the sword logic until we are sharp. We may then cut our own wounds and step through[/b]. (Verse 3:1 — an incision)[/quote] *sword logic (strength/power from killing) allows you to cut through space, and allows you to return from death. [quote]Said Akka, “You have not the [b]strength[/b].” [b]But this was a lie. Auryx had killed Savathûn his sibling and Xivu Arath his sibling, and he had the sword logic of killing them[/b]. (Verse 3:8 — King of Shapes)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]OBLIGATIONS. Once, I permitted Oryx to kill me so that he could gain the sword logic and overcome Akka our God. (Verse 4:5 — This Love Is War)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. 2) The Killing logic is simply proving that you were stronger than what you killed; the fact that you killed your enemy proves that you were stronger. Killing logic is essentially like having a driver's license; having one in your hand doesn't make you a better driver, but it is proof that you already know how to drive. [quote]“Then kill me,” says Xivu Arath, “and use that killing logic, the power [b]you prove[/b] by killing something as mighty as me.” [...] “And strangle me,” says Savathûn, holding a blade behind her back. “Use that killing logic, the cunning you prove by killing something as smart as me.” (Verse 3:6 — star by star by star)[/quote] *Oryx used the killing logic of killing his sisters to have a meeting with Akka. By killing his sisters, he proved he was worthy of an audience. The kills did make him more powerful, but that power gain is just sword logic. The kiling logic part is just about proof of your superiority. 3) The deathsinger Ir Yut did not come back because of some "purpose," she came back because she hid her death in an oversoul, as explained by the sisters Ir Halak and Ir Anuk. [quote]“We propose a method by which Ascendant souls can be detached and integrated into a tautological and autonomous thanatosphere, which we tentatively term an oversoul. Oversouls can be stored in a throne world as[b] a mechanism of enhanced death resilience[/b]. As a side effect, new refinements to our Deathsong may be achieved, moving us closer to a generally effective paracausal death impulse.” Oryx brandished his sword. “Speak the Royal Tongue, or I’ll pin you up for Eir to eat.” “[b]If we can separate our deaths from ourselves, and hide them, we will be hard to kill[/b].” (Verse 4:8 — The partition of death)[/quote] 4) Oryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathun defined themselves by their actions and their nature. Oryx was curiosity, Xivu Arath is War, and Savathun is cunning. By performing actions relating to their natures, you can summon them back from the dead (like waging war to summon Xivu Arath back to life), but this is ONLY if they did NOT die in the throne worlds. Throne worlds are how Hive Gods survive death, and they are a product of the power they amass from killing (AKA sword logic). If you die, you are reborn in your throne world. It's all just a matter of getting enough kills, and not dying inside your own throne world. Nothing about "purpose" is needed. [quote]Your body is gone, but you have endured. [b]Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might[/b] — your throne world. From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne. (Verse 2:7 — The Weakness Verse)[/quote] *Clearly explains how Hive gods survive death. They are reborn in throne worlds. Throne worlds are born of the might (sword logic) of a Hive god.[/quote] [/spoiler]
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1 ReplySurvival of the fittest, basically.
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This is from master Kage [spoiler][quote]1) I think you greatly misunderstand the sword logic. The sword logic is gaining power from your kills. [b]The more you kill, the stronger you become[/b]. It is you escaping the laws of reality through causing death. One application of the power you gain is being able to cut through space itself, and to carve out throne worlds as universes where you respawn to upon death, thus ensuring your survival. The main point though is it's all about gaining power and strength from killing. Examples: [quote]Quria deduced the sword logic. I have to kill everything, Quria resolved. Then I will be powerful. (Verse 4:9 — open your eye : go into it)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. (Verse 2:6 — The [b]Sword Logic[/b])[/quote] [quote]SAVATHÛN said, Auryx my brother and king, [b]I have studied the wounds cut by the Worm our God. Also I have studied the manner of your death and return. These two things are the same, for they are predicated on death and the passage through cut spaces. Let us practice the sword logic until we are sharp. We may then cut our own wounds and step through[/b]. (Verse 3:1 — an incision)[/quote] *sword logic (strength/power from killing) allows you to cut through space, and allows you to return from death. [quote]Said Akka, “You have not the [b]strength[/b].” [b]But this was a lie. Auryx had killed Savathûn his sibling and Xivu Arath his sibling, and he had the sword logic of killing them[/b]. (Verse 3:8 — King of Shapes)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]OBLIGATIONS. Once, I permitted Oryx to kill me so that he could gain the sword logic and overcome Akka our God. (Verse 4:5 — This Love Is War)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. 2) The Killing logic is simply proving that you were stronger than what you killed; the fact that you killed your enemy proves that you were stronger. Killing logic is essentially like having a driver's license; having one in your hand doesn't make you a better driver, but it is proof that you already know how to drive. [quote]“Then kill me,” says Xivu Arath, “and use that killing logic, the power [b]you prove[/b] by killing something as mighty as me.” [...] “And strangle me,” says Savathûn, holding a blade behind her back. “Use that killing logic, the cunning you prove by killing something as smart as me.” (Verse 3:6 — star by star by star)[/quote] *Oryx used the killing logic of killing his sisters to have a meeting with Akka. By killing his sisters, he proved he was worthy of an audience. The kills did make him more powerful, but that power gain is just sword logic. The kiling logic part is just about proof of your superiority. 3) The deathsinger Ir Yut did not come back because of some "purpose," she came back because she hid her death in an oversoul, as explained by the sisters Ir Halak and Ir Anuk. [quote]“We propose a method by which Ascendant souls can be detached and integrated into a tautological and autonomous thanatosphere, which we tentatively term an oversoul. Oversouls can be stored in a throne world as[b] a mechanism of enhanced death resilience[/b]. As a side effect, new refinements to our Deathsong may be achieved, moving us closer to a generally effective paracausal death impulse.” Oryx brandished his sword. “Speak the Royal Tongue, or I’ll pin you up for Eir to eat.” “[b]If we can separate our deaths from ourselves, and hide them, we will be hard to kill[/b].” (Verse 4:8 — The partition of death)[/quote] 4) Oryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathun defined themselves by their actions and their nature. Oryx was curiosity, Xivu Arath is War, and Savathun is cunning. By performing actions relating to their natures, you can summon them back from the dead (like waging war to summon Xivu Arath back to life), but this is ONLY if they did NOT die in the throne worlds. Throne worlds are how Hive Gods survive death, and they are a product of the power they amass from killing (AKA sword logic). If you die, you are reborn in your throne world. It's all just a matter of getting enough kills, and not dying inside your own throne world. Nothing about "purpose" is needed. [quote]Your body is gone, but you have endured. [b]Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might[/b] — your throne world. From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne. (Verse 2:7 — The Weakness Verse)[/quote] *Clearly explains how Hive gods survive death. They are reborn in throne worlds. Throne worlds are born of the might (sword logic) of a Hive god.[/quote] [/spoiler]
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