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Edited by Mormn Aslt Vhcl:
5/6/2015 1:44:15 PM
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I'm curious. How do you think Thorn/TLW aren't OP?
I'm very curious. No need for an raging argument here, but I find that TLW and Thorn are extremely OP. And most people on the forum believe they aren't. I was just wondering why you think they aren't? And for the people that will say making them not 2 shot will make them useless exotics are wrong. They will still have their great perks and are/would be amazing guns without the 2 shot.
My reasons for why I think they are. (The combination of these things make them too good).
Thorn:
2 shot kill
DoT does good amount of damage
Best auto assist of all HC's
Amazing range
Good mag size
Good RoF
TLW:
2 shot kill
Range stat is low, but it's actually really not
Impact for its RoF is too high
Broken ADS glitch
Good auto assist
Note: I think all 2 shot primaries are broken. They ruin the TTK in Destiny, and a low TTK is what killed COD for me. It's more of a first to shoot rather than a show of actual gunplay.
It's weird that some of you think because you can kill people that have them (we all can) that they're not op.
Your reasons for why they are fine?
Edit: in my opinion, overused can be a derivative of overpowered. Bungie said months ago that balance doesn't necessarily mean all weapons are exactly equal, but rather a close to equal usage of weapons. And we can all agree that it's not "balanced" right now.
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4 RepliesThorn needs a range nerf that's all You can have your 2 shot kills within reason There's no reason Thorn should out-range MIDA Multi-tool
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If thorn and TLW are so good then why isn't everyone using them? TLW has been for sale more than once I think and I've had loads of chances to get the thorn bounty and can't be alone in that. I get killed by a wide variety of guns so it can't be as simple as everyone makes out.
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I use Red Death. Thorn is fine. The Last Word is glitched and the developers are aware. Remember what the Mythoclast was like? Lol OP as -blam!-. Assault Rifles need some attention though. Keep the range nerf, but bump up damage.
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Thorn yes tlw no
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The ROF of Thorn is not great. It works great for sniping at cats across large distances but up close if they know how to strafe you are screwed.
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Because I'm using a Legendary over Thorn in PVP for the last two weeks or so. This is why I think the OP is not looking at all the options available. There are better guns then Thorn right now.... IMHO... those who do not have Thorn are the ones complaining?
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They're not overpowered at all, they work just as intended. They're superior to every other weapon in the game, sure, but that's a purposeful design choice. What did you expect from the first in the series? I bet by destiny 2, pistols will be useless for 3 games after.
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21 RepliesBut red death isn't because it's not as popular? Good rate of fire Great impact 2 burst kill like thorn landing 2 headshots Range is surprisingly great as well, as well as stability And heals you and stops the burn effect of thorn and also increases reload to kill again But of course people only want whatever is the most popular and most "OP" thing at the moment. Just like Suros wasn't impossible to stop it was popular, now it's not even a viable choice for any activity in the game unless your just -blam!-ing around. The only weapon that i heard was actually OVERPOWERED and was crazy unstoppable was the vex mythoclast. It was getting 2-3 shot kills as a high fire rate weapon with 21 or 56 rounds and it was instant death, that is real power. If you can't fight off a couple of overused weapons or know how to change your style so you won't always encounter shotguns and other weapons you really need to take a break from the game or try and think about why you are always getting shotgunned. Is it cus your capturing a zone and try and stop someone from a distance or is it cus your running balls deep for some heavy ammo or think that's the best way to play
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The old auto rifles would keep them and shotguns at bay. Unless blink is used in conjunction with shotty of course.
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2 RepliesEdited by DominusSqwid: 5/6/2015 5:21:42 AMthorn can be countered with a good ol fashioned bullet proof box and TLW can be beet with range as i was kicking its ass with timmers lash (no land beond works wonders on them)
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I don't see those hand cannons as OP, I just think that there isn't enough competition to beat them. I don't think Nerfing weapons would do more good than bad. Don't forget that there is a whole PvE aspect that plays a huge factor.
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1 ReplyI only think TLW is fine, because without that new exploit/glitch with aiming, it was somewhat difficult to land two headshots while hip-firing.. I will make no argument with Thorn.. But you can counter TLW with any good Pulse Rifle too.
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TLW stops all you blinking and sliding felwinter noobs I'm your tracks. 2.10 this iron banner, partly because all I got during the games, was rushed by you shotgunners.
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9 RepliesBecause MIDA wrecks both of them from a distance.
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I used them in iron banner. They are easy as hell to aim and I would say they are op. It does not take skill to use those weapons
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Thorn is clunky as all hell, and the last word is half luck.
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Because I feel bad when I kill Thorn and Last Word users ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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How? Because I use hawkmoon
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1 ReplyRocket launchers are OP!! Dude one shot kill!!!! I can't handle playing against them!! Nerf them!! (Being sarcastic BTW) Enjoy your gaming <3
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The last word is a great 1v1 weapon. But add another enemy player to the equation and the last word is lacking due to the amount of ammo it has and the amount of shots it takes to kill(3-4 if ads,2 if hip firing, assuming you have its main perk). I still think it needs a nerf though, it's just not completely overpowered.
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Simple: I accept that this game's pvp is terrible and don't care.
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Edited by Raider TCK: 5/6/2015 2:04:50 AMThorn looses out to vex, the last word and felwinters lie at close to mid range. Looses to scout rifles & pulse rifles at long. It's overused as people think it's a lot better than it actually is. The last word is even less of an issue as it's terrible at range. It's low mag size means you are also screwed if you find yourself against multiple opponents. Also at its effective range you are in range of a shotgun user. The damage buff while ads needs to go though. That bugs like having a final round sniper when it happens.
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I personally used TLW all through IB and it's definitely OP! Although I never got a 2 shot kill. Thorn is 100% OP though.
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People are very agressive and dont work cover. Also alot of poor movement. Everyone wants to be able to hold their ground. Its situational, sometimes its best to run away. This video is about movement and battle placement. Dont cry, but juggernaut is way better than shoulder charge. It just requires more skill to use, so you dont see it used. And thus no cry for nerf.
