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Edited by Mormn Aslt Vhcl:
5/6/2015 1:44:15 PM
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I'm curious. How do you think Thorn/TLW aren't OP?
I'm very curious. No need for an raging argument here, but I find that TLW and Thorn are extremely OP. And most people on the forum believe they aren't. I was just wondering why you think they aren't? And for the people that will say making them not 2 shot will make them useless exotics are wrong. They will still have their great perks and are/would be amazing guns without the 2 shot.
My reasons for why I think they are. (The combination of these things make them too good).
Thorn:
2 shot kill
DoT does good amount of damage
Best auto assist of all HC's
Amazing range
Good mag size
Good RoF
TLW:
2 shot kill
Range stat is low, but it's actually really not
Impact for its RoF is too high
Broken ADS glitch
Good auto assist
Note: I think all 2 shot primaries are broken. They ruin the TTK in Destiny, and a low TTK is what killed COD for me. It's more of a first to shoot rather than a show of actual gunplay.
It's weird that some of you think because you can kill people that have them (we all can) that they're not op.
Your reasons for why they are fine?
Edit: in my opinion, overused can be a derivative of overpowered. Bungie said months ago that balance doesn't necessarily mean all weapons are exactly equal, but rather a close to equal usage of weapons. And we can all agree that it's not "balanced" right now.
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1 ReplyI am guessing that any popular gun that kills anyone is op. LoL
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Ive made similar points on other posts. I like those weapons alot but not even cuz there 2 shots i actually gravitate away from them due to high volume of people that use them. I don't like the 2 shot primaries they need to be 3 shot. But i have made the point that thorn should still be able to 2 shot if utilizing the final round perk. But making the last word 3 shot wouldnt change the way its used. It does so much damage at such a high rate of fire that with destiny's pvp lag you wont see guys drop imideatly after 2 shots so people usually dump 5 out of the 8 on one enemy anyway. Then the guy dies. Lol
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It's the maps (lack of variety) not the weapons
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2 RepliesThe range is the only part of your analysis that rings true. The power and impact and DoT (Thorn) are what makes them exotic. A range nerf would be fine by me, because I think a Thorn should never be able to go one on one with a sniper across the map and get head shots. Other than that, they are perfectly fine the way they are.
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Edited by XxHighlander75xX: 5/6/2015 3:27:53 PMBlah blah blah who gives a -blam!-
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1 ReplyRemember suros? I agree they are very strong atm. But if they are nerfed people would just gravitate towards the next one and complain that its op. Just leave them please
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5 RepliesI think both are powerful, but the answer isn't to nerf. The best way to deal with this situation is to restore Auto Rifles to their pre-patch strength and give scout rifles a modest buff. This would allow for greater primary diversity and a fairer Crucible environment. They do need to fix TLW ADS issue, however, as that is clearly broken.
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4 RepliesThis wasn't my idea but it's not op it's over used.
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2 shot kills with the last word barley ever happen lol And I'm pretty sure the red hand from new monarchy has more auto aim assist then thorn. But both weapons are hand CANNONS like in my eyes if it has the name cannon I think its spossed to be overpowered
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"Nerf" has become a cuss word within the Destiny community, but that's really a shame because they can lead to a better overall experience if done properly..
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Edited by Ne0nK0ala: 5/6/2015 3:22:19 PMThorn and tlw are not the only two headshot guns in the game, as such the fact that they are two headshot cannot be a factor making them overpowered. Tlw also takes a lot of skill to use effectively, trust me it really does. Thorn however is rather op, it needs a stability decrease and more recoil to make it less forgiving to players who just pick it up. They do not need a nerf however, what I suggested would not be a nerf, it's just an adjustment, no one wants hand cannons to be useless, but trust me, change is coming.
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Edited by crazeeavery: 5/6/2015 3:23:33 PMBecause thy kill me :( lol but I don't mind I'll just fight fire with fire and pull out my own TLW.. Can't beat them join them:)
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1 ReplyI don't mind them since I got my hawkmoon
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5 RepliesThey are not op. That simple
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Let them use Thorn and TLW. Easy prey for my Hawkmoon....
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Two shot primaries aren't necessarily broken. But, the fact that Destiny PvP doesn't take advantage of many other factors causes 2-shot primaries to dominate. (see my thread here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/119695535/0/0 )
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3 RepliesThe range of thorn is way to high, that's the only thing bothering me about it.
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4 RepliesAny HC can 2 shot
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Thorn does require two head shots to kill with DoT, but someone can still kill you. Plus, most Thorn users are probably conditioned to shoot twice and leave, so strafing and making one miss/hit the body may catch them by surprise and give you another kill. I have died by Thorn's DoT that many time recently The Last Word is balanced due to its mag size. Great for 1v1s, but most of the time, 1v2s = dead, unless you are using Aggressive Ballistics and get 3 shots max on each and don't miss any. Only fix really needed is the ADS getting hip fire precision damage multiplier.
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how are they not OP... have you ever tried to kill a boss with them?
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I'm not very good at pvp and I can counter them. I've tried both and did not magically become better. Real issue behind all the OP weapon debates is the maps, more specifically the lack of bigger open maps. It is hard to think of a Destiny map where loading up for almost exclusive cqc is a bad idea, there are some where it isn't the best but it would be hard to make a case where it wasn't at least ok. Basically it isn't the weapons, the problems come from the maps (lack of)
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The reality is very rarely because of the crap connections does someone consistently 2sk with te thorn and tlw I just got done playing ib everyday till close and out of all the games I played I can only remember a handful of times were I was 2skd by tlw or thorn in a game and it only happened once those games
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I think the ads glitch on TLW needs to be fixed, but that's it
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TLW issue is how it can two shot on occasion due to the broken perk. Thorn is just too versatile, the poison makes it possible to take out snipers
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I use Strangers rifle and is a 2 burst beast chirp*chirp* you are done, is that one op as well? Against thorn, red death, tlw, bring it. So I dont mind the guns the way they are, just learn the maps and who are you playing against, you'll be all right.
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1 ReplyI usually get killed by shottys so nerf that
