Just stop being cannon-fodder in PVP, vote with your feet. Bungie hates 87% of their customers, prove me wrong.

OP spot on. Just finished doing a few rounds in IB Freelance; it’s astonishing how the opposition are mostly gilded Trials ninjas with adept everything, and their coordination beggars belief; and they’re playing as if their lives are at stake; and using every cheese-weapon - toaster / th’pest-o / etc,; and they seem to be constantly glowing red with a permanent overshield; and the nut-hug like you wouldn’t believe - so it’s always 2 or 3 vs. One of me! 😵‍💫; and they never miss a shot, from any angle or elevation, and it’s usually a ohk, too…whereas my point blank shots barely register, regardless of whatever weapon I’m playing with. Some of them can even shoot through walls and rocks, and around corners, too; there’s even some who can shoot me before they even arrive??? Half the time I can’t even see them, and I’m not referring to those creeping, camping forget-me-nots hiding in the shadows who go ‘invisible’ on demand, it seems. And when I can see them, the screen is full of confusion and overly bright lights from many different sources. But, still, this doesn’t seem to affect the opposition, they must have excellent anti-glare vision. My last game had their top player had a higher score than all of my team combined. I think I was second highest on my team with a ‘high’ 🤣 single digit score. The opposition were nearly all in dbl-digits. Go figure. Ah well, it reminds of D1Y1, where my armour was made of tissue paper, and my guns fired popcorn and party streamers. And in those days, if you heard Vex / Suros - it was game over. Oh, what fun! Still, I got a HC bounty done with my old Trust. Yeh!🥳 Just my 2d worth. YMMV. Cheers! MDGA 👈

It's worse for top players. You'll constantly get five really crap players while the other team gets loaded up with above average players. Every match I can drop 40-50 defeats and half the time we still lose. This is because my five blueberries are simply outclassed and I def feel for them l.

As long as HC remain the second highest dps per shot to range. Highest aim assist. Highest accuracy cone. Receives the lowest flinch. Gives the highest flinch. And receives virtually no bloom, throw in the special weapons surpassing smg and side arm ranges. a better matchmaking system won’t change anything. Sure games will be more “balanced” and I’m all for that. I want sbmm. But I’m tired of the exact same meta for the last 4 years. I don’t want anything buffed. Just HC to receive the same bloom and flinch mechanics as all other weapons. They are supposed to mid range weapons. It’s ridiculous that they excel in auto rifle and pulse rifle ranges. An auto should win 9/10 24 meters and closer. And a pulse should win 9/10 34 meters out. As of now a hand cannon will almost always win 24 meters in against an auto and at or around 35-37 meters against all pulses beside aggressive frames. Of course HC are the go to. U have every archetype covered beside aggressive frame pulses and scouts. Worried about smgs or side arms. A fusion will go minimum 18 meters. Farther than 99% of smgs and side arms. With a charge time faster than all smgs or side arms if they miss a single shot. Don’t like fusions. That’s okay run a shotgun. If they are close enough for an smg or side arm one slide and ur in range. And this is from someone who mains a HC/shotgun. It’s boring. But run anything else and I’m hurting myself.

2 things 1. leave the lobby after bad matches to not match same players again works 90% of the time. 2. All the sweats play freelance to farm most the time regular playlist is better even when matching stacks.

It's lobby balancing that's the real problem.

As DMG recently admitted on Twitter, they listened (only) to high-skill players and so removed any possibility of balancing teams by skill. So casuals, less able, are stuck, are farmed. Full time players were exclusively catered to, who wanted casuals to farm. So that's what we got and why a great many don't play anymore.

In a recent Tweet, they admitted they did what they did because they only considered the high skill players opinion. There is no further debate needed.

Nothing matters in this dumpster fire. The sooner people stop giving it the attention it doesn’t deserve maybe they’ll do something.

I play a ton of crucible and IB solo and what i see happening now for ober 6 months is its sorted by all the best are sorted to one side and whats left goesto the other. I know this is planned and not an accident as it worked before albeit badly still it worked. Think about it....most of not all of the top players have .ttv or youtube ir something and if you give them easy high score games nonstop they sell your products for you. For them to ignore this for so long its the only explanation...same with solo queue trials being once a blur moon instead of all the time even though the majority like it the tops -blam!- about games being to "hard". So even though they can and have they REFUSE toallow solo queue all the time and feed the 90% to the 10%. Your being lied to. We need to NO LONGER play any pvp to get the to "FIX" these issues.

Quit blaming matchmaking I scrolled through your past couple IB victories and you were at the bottom of everyone.

Play for the loot and t-bag the sweats. Just another casual that doesn't care.

First off, [i]Shaxx[/i] Second, Lord Saladin Calls it. Third, Iron Banner is under the “endgame pvp” category from the last time I was informed of it. So it would only make sense it if filled with good players.

There is matchmaking. It’s not perfect but what is? Stick with your teammates if you are having trouble