The answer to all your questions is: I was somewhere enjoying armor perks, customizing my subclasses, playing with random rolls, using hard mode raid weapons, the heroic strike playlist, PVP playlists, buying vendor weapons and armor, building a tier 12 armor set, throwing grenades every 30 seconds, punching everything to death with Monte Carlo, having supers every couple minutes, etc. etc, etc. "Where were you"

D1 vanilla walks all over D2 vanilla. Because D1 was uncharted territory. D2 wasn't, they knew what they needed to do. They had 3 years to learn from D1. And they didn't. I remember grinding VOG over. And over. And over. Because it was fun. Leviathan is about as fun as swallowing razor blades. I remember being able to choose my strike in Vanilla D1. I remember being able to choose a pvp mode in D1. I remember nightfalls being good in D1. I remember having to work for my weapons, and not having exotics drop like rain drops I remember the vog guns having relevant perks, and not a regular gun with a skin. I remember spending hours on patrol enjoying it. D2 is nowhere near the level that D1 vanilla was. People like you are the problem. You blindly defend the game as it is, which is why Bungie think it's ok to push DLC when the core game itself is broken.

Firstly many of these things were petitioned here. No one claims D1 was the greatest. We all agree practically anything > D2[quote]Where were you when I was farming planet materials for hours just to upgrade a gun or two or actually make my exotic feel like it was supposed to?[/quote]For hours? If it took you hours to level things I feel really bad, plenty of bounties, daily story, strikes and pvp all which gave exp plus rep, you also learned perks out of it while leveling the guns experimenting and seeing what changes after a perk unlocked. Tell me the name of a perk in D1 and I can tell you what it does. [quote]Where were you when we got nothing but shards and energy in the raid, cheesed it like crazy, and had no changes on hard mode to be seen except severely putting 29s at a large damage disadvantage and no respawns? Friendly reminder if you didn't get a piece of gear you had to wait until the next week to progress...[/quote]Nothing but shards and energy? I seem to recall being able to get several drops per encounter, fatebringer and armor for example. I'd rather sometimes get just shards and sometimes get double drops vs 2/4 encounters giving drops and the rest just tokens. I was fine with that, endgame levels came from endgame, you needed to get 3/4 pieces and you were max. Not hard, not crazy odds. [quote]Where were you when Thorn reigned king as the only way an average or even good player could possibly compete in crucible for more than half a -blam!-ing year with no changes!?[/quote]It didn't. HoW era consisted of all 3 exotic hand cannons, legendary hand cannons, mythoclast, mida and all decent-high pulse rifles in the game. The only primaries that needed buffs were autos. [quote]Where were you when there was a "heavy ammo drought" where no one had synths since they took them off Xur very purposefully and we had to empty out our weapons entirely to glitch heavy just to shoot down the most basic designed raid boss in history (Crota) in a raid where again everyone cheesed every single section and there was a total of 1 new hard mode mechanic?[/quote]There were many posts about it here, they even came up with the icebreaker glitch. You act as if the mechanics they changed were brilliant. Teleporting in and out, needing to run to × plate a extra Psion, 3 extra dogs.... [quote]Where were you when they decided no more small expansions and that they were going to call Festival of The Lost and things that were designed to make more silver "new content funded by silver"? This lasted an entire year until RoI. [/quote]I remember plenty of posts complaining about festival of the cost. [quote]Gtfo out if you think D2 is much worse. Yeah maybe it's worse than Age of Triumph, their swan song where they brought everything in three years together. But it sure as hell isn't worse than the low points of Destiny 1 where we all continued chugging on until the next expansion anyway. They had time to learn yes but a team was building this game while D1 was still in progress. Mind you most of the changes again came from player feedback on these forums (not all but most). So stop giving shit feedback. They know the important things we want already believe me.[/quote]It is much worse. D1 PvP was often called unbalanced. It was never called boring. It was never a stand shoulder to shoulder with teammates and wait for heavy before pushing with rockets game it was never 4vs4 only with 2 playlist options. D1 pve had an epic raid that's to this day known as the best one made with gear worth running it for, armor that gave solid perks, guns that are famous in video game culture, encounters and an atmosphere of smashing into an enemy stronghold and getting to the leader instead of opening a combination lock. Movement was always quick and fluid, weapons felt like they did damage, not everything was a damn reskin, exotics actually felt like it. None of that moved over. The rebrand of destiny for D2 was a big mistake, people wanted more content. Not a complete overhaul.

[quote] Where were you when I was farming planet materials for hours just to upgrade a gun or two or actually make my exotic feel like it was supposed to?[/quote] Doing the same probably, and not minding it. [quote] Where were you when we got nothing but shards and energy in the raid, cheesed it like crazy, and had no changes on hard mode to be seen except severely putting 29s at a large damage disadvantage and no respawns? Friendly reminder if you didn't get a piece of gear you had to wait until the next week to progress...[/quote] I was there too. Shards/energy aren't sexy, but they WERE needed to upgrade other legendary gear. Had my main character (hunter) that didn't even hit 30 until TDB. [quote] Where were you when Thorn reigned king as the only way an average or even good player could possibly compete in crucible for more than half a -blam!-ing year with no changes!?[/quote] In the same crucible killing thorn users with my Timur's Lash because, contrary to popular belief, you could beat thorn users 1v1. They were annoying in groups of coordinated fire, but it wasn't UNBEATABLE. Annoying? Yes. But i don't think annoyance is a good thing to cry about considering people get annoyed at getting killed by ANYTHING in ANY PVP game, period. [quote] Where were you when there was a "heavy ammo drought" where no one had synths since they took them off Xur very purposefully and we had to empty out our weapons entirely to glitch heavy just to shoot down the most basic designed raid boss in history (Crota) in a raid where again everyone cheesed every single section and there was a total of 1 new hard mode mechanic?[/quote] Suffered through it. I had to buy my heavies with glimmer at a WAY overpriced rate for a while. But I lived through it and then when Xur came back, I proceeded to stockpile Heavies. [quote]Where were you when they decided no more small expansions and that they were going to call Festival of The Lost and things that were designed to make more silver "new content funded by silver"? This lasted an entire year until RoI. [/quote] I had quit by then because Y1 was largely the best era the game experienced IMO. Core gameplay wise, it was way more fun than what we have right now. [quote] Gtfo out if you think D2 is much worse. Yeah maybe it's worse than Age of Triumph, their swan song where they brought everything in three years together. But it sure as hell isn't worse than the low points of Destiny 1 where we all continued chugging on until the next expansion anyway. They had time to learn yes but a team was building this game while D1 was still in progress. Mind you most of the changes again came from player feedback on these forums (not all but most). So stop giving shit feedback. They know the important things we want already believe me.[/quote] Why are you so upset that so many people dislike the game. If you like it, so be it. If others don't, so be it. They have every right to post their feedback on the game, much like I'm sure you did about D1 and how it was "too grindy" and some weapons were "too OP" and the game wasn't balanced like other PVP games, etc. Well D2 gave you EVERYTHING you could desire, and because Bungie couldn't find a happy medium, other people are upset. Get used to it.

Had a couple of flaws sure. But the game has far more excitement when getting that piece of gear you wanted or needed. Sorry man that game was magic. It had it.

[quote]The answer to all your questions is: I was somewhere enjoying armor perks, customizing my subclasses, playing with random rolls, using hard mode raid weapons, the heroic strike playlist, PVP playlists, buying vendor weapons and armor, building a tier 12 armor set, throwing grenades every 30 seconds, punching everything to death with Monte Carlo, having supers every couple minutes, etc. etc, etc.[/quote] [quote]D1 vanilla walks all over D2 vanilla.Because D1 was uncharted territory.D2 wasn't, they knew what they needed to do. They had 3 years to learn from D1.And they didn't.I remember grinding VOG over. And over. And over. Because it was fun.Leviathan is about as fun as swallowing razor blades.I remember being able to choose my strike in Vanilla D1.I remember being able to choose a pvp mode in D1.I remember nightfalls being good in D1.I remember having to work for my weapons, and not having exotics drop like rain dropsI remember the vog guns having relevant perks, and not a regular gun with a skin.I remember spending hours on patrol enjoying it. D2 is nowhere near the level that D1 vanilla was. [/quote] [quote]I was grinding for those planetary materials, vog for boots remaking duplicates characters for more chances of boots, loving every moment. I can tell you my first legendary in d1, D2 not. First exotic in D1 yep. D2 it was given to me and I don't even remember the name or what it does. Aries Nemesis x4, heart of praxic fire. D2 IS MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. The thing is I continued chugging in D1, D2 I am chugging away at Warframe now.[/quote] All of you made good Points, especially the last one with Warframe. But Warframe was at the begining also trash. Bigger trash than every other game. Bigger trash than D2. And the Developers improved the game over and over again. And that needed time. The same Situation we have with D1 and D2. D1 evolved, supported by the live Team. But why is D2 not the same like D1? Because 3 different developer Studios from Activision (also Bungies big developer team) worked on D2 while the first game D1 was supported with 5% capacity of bungies own Studio. Ok, they had 3 Years of game experience from D1 BUT Bungie also said after the release of D1 they started also to work on D2 BECAUSE the game doesn't became how they wanted. What we see here is what Bungie tried to make Destiny 1. And that's the Problem of the most of you: YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT!

Compared to D2 it is

The thing is people are acting like it will never get better. Yes, Bungie had 3 years to learn and they didn't. Yes, they changed things that didn't need to be changed. But everyone's acting like this stuff won't get fixed. Destiny 1 was [i]vastly[/i] improved over 3 years. Now before you jump at me with a knife and shout "They had 3 years to learn and we should already have a good game!", I agree they should have had 3 years to learn. They messed up, but they will fix it. Give them a year when the comet DLC (The Taken King was a "Comet" DLC, AKA a big DLC) comes out and I bet you that we'll have a vastly improved game. [spoiler]Also, compare The Dark Below (that's the first DLC in D1) to Curse of Osiris. The only thing The Dark Below has over Curse of Osiris is an actual raid, where as Curse of Osiris has a "raid lair". Other than that, we get a new planet to explore (we got no new planets in The Dark Below), we know that we get at least one strike (the same amount as The Dark Below, and I don't know about you but I hated Omnigul), and we'll likely get at least 3 story missions which will have a better story when compared to D1. Just don't hate on Curse of Osiris quite yet.[/spoiler]

D2 is not even in the ballpark compared to D1 (Vanilla as well). All they have done with D2 is basically taking what they were finally getting right and scraping it; then dumbing down the game for simpletons. Bungo really -blam!-ed some things up with D1 at various times, but they kept improving and we knew what it was going to be, eventually... so we kept supporting it. However, with D2 Bungo has basically just thrown out a whole bunch of laziness. It is in no way comparable to D1.

I was grinding for those planetary materials, vog for boots remaking duplicates characters for more chances of boots, loving every moment. I can tell you my first legendary in d1, D2 not. First exotic in D1 yep. D2 it was given to me and I don't even remember the name or what it does. Aries Nemesis x4, heart of praxic fire. D2 IS MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. The thing is I continued chugging in D1, D2 I am chugging away at Warframe now.

Those rosey-tinted glasses are so magical lol. Vanilla D2 will be loved when the 3rd dlc for D2 drops. I can see it now. "Bungo you're shit! Vanilla D2 was so much better than this and you lied and....."😂 this community is a -blam!-ing joke.

I’m just going to leave this here.... [spoiler]Buffing auto rifles by 0.0000000000004%[/spoiler]

The same people saying D1 is way better than D2 are the same people that hated everything about D1. Just a bunch of children looking for attention, hoping for validation from other children with zero self-esteem.