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11/2/2017 2:45:43 PM
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Learn from warframe bungie you don't need to cater to pvp players to make a game people enjoy
You ruined this game catering to casuals and pvp players but the pvp is the worst of the 2 everything feels weak supers don't recharge as fast guns are not as good and exotics are terrible. This all because pvp players were complaining about it and you made all these changes and not even the pvp players like it. As much as i think warframe is boring now because i played so much of it (2 years plus before i got bored one month into destiny and i already have nothing to do) warframe did it right you can always use your abilities and guns feel strong and unique and guess what everyone loves it and recommends it over destiny i'm just saying you don't need to make pve trash to appease to pvp players you could have made a amazing pve game with powerful exotics,great loot,and awesome gear and people would have loved it 700 percent more. Instead you chose to appeal to the pvp players and now 97 percent of post are about how people think the game is trash.
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2 RepliesTHEY DONT CATER TO PVP OR PVE THEY CATER TO CHIMPS THAT PREORDER AND BUY ENGWAMS. STOP PLAYING THIS GAME IF YOU WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE
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2 RepliesEdited by Yes I Make Puns: 11/3/2017 8:54:24 PMAll Bungie needed to do was separate PvP from PvE... in that I mean stats, damages, cooldowns, etc. should have been tweaked to fit in with the Crucible. As it is, they shit on PvE to deliver an underwhelmingly horrid PvP experience. Time to kill has created a lame and un-fun meta. Cooldowns are a minute long for grenades, etc. Most don't use snipers, and so on. Crucible is less fun than vanilla Destiny. WAY less fun.
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Edited by EAX: 11/7/2017 12:43:03 AMIm usually an pvp player, any game i like the challenge of it. But in Destiny 2 i think they only wasted time and money, 2 things that shouldve gone into PvE instead - the PvP aspect in D2 is terrible without an end in sight, i dont even know where i could start to explain why is that because there are soo many bad things in PvP of destiny 2.... it is like hopeless to even talk about it. Cant even use the word "Balance" for PvP because its not bad, its not good, it doesnt even exist. Theres like one map, that puts one team into the loserteam right before the game even started by offering them 2 yolo suicide jumppads and a suicide chokepoint bridge - while the enemy gets sick sniper locations and an easy hunting time + 2-3 powerpickup spawns... PvP is a joke in D2. Not to mention the weapons... take a magnum and 3 shot every enemy thanks to huge headshot hitboxes, thanks, but i dont want such an experience.
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21 RepliesWareframe is vastly overrated.
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I find it funny that a lot of the people who don't like Warframe are the ones who complain about the story. Warframe has a story, you just need to be mastery rank 5+ (which is about 50-60 hours into the game if you're playing it to advance quests and unlock the star chart) to experience it. A lot of people don't even get that far and slam the game before they even get deep into the game.
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I agree with what you're saying about warframe but just so you know, us pvp players aren't happy with the game either. If they are catering to us they are doing a terrible job.
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5 RepliesYou said the "W" word on Bungie.net The hordes of Mordor [Bungie] will descend upon your post and most, if not all of them, will reference what Warframe was 4 years ago rather than what it is today. The only thing I want warframe to implement from Destiny is the (instanced?) "on-the-fly" matchmaking for their new open world environments. Then it really would be "what Destiny should have been", as people like to say.
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16 RepliesIn Warframe all you do is replay countless missions just to make a neat looking Warframe and get weapons.. k don't see what you do with the stuff after you have it.
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10 RepliesSimple solution and one that had been staring them straight in the face. Separate pvp from pve. Simple.
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War frame is actually pretty cool. I thought it was a Freemium game at first but it’s not. It’s amazing
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1 ReplyI wish Warframe had Destiny's budget from the very beginning.
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2 RepliesEdited by MONKEYGOTRABIES: 11/4/2017 1:57:00 PMThis is a concept no large developer will accept. Remember, EA totally scrapped a linear, single player Star Wars adventure game that everyone was excited about because it did not fit their "games as a service" concept. Developers like EA and activision firmly believe that pvp is what keeps players playing. They also believe that loot boxes and microtransactions will keep people coming back to play at the most beneficial cost to profit ratio for them. They will not change their thinking until it ceases to be profitable, and considering these companies make over a billion a year on microtransactions, that won't be anytime soon. Every problem with Destiny 2 comes from an attempt to balance pvp. Don't believe them when they say things like "players were overwhelmed with too many choices." Simplifying classes and eliminating random perks greatly reduces variables and theoretically makes pvp balance much easier. They still couldn't manage balance anyway which is sad because the community told them solutions. Have different ability profiles for pvp and pve. Have Destiny 1 weapon loot system but have Destiny 2 style "default" crucible modes for weapons that have been carefully balanced. Make pve joy weapons like icebreaker and universal remote simply unavailable for crucible because there, they're broken as hell. They could have hired a think tank of players that would have gladly worked for $15 an hour to improve the game from a players perspective. Instead they let the suits make the call and give us the same old bad corporated decisions. That's the problem with making a deal with someone like activision- you have to listen to the guys that cut CoD's sales in half for four games straight. But hey, they're making a billion a year off of loot boxes so who the -blam!- cares?
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Everything that deals damage was scaled for pvp, name a single pvp environment this game has that requires a balanced game. -blam!-ing bullshit that there's no ranked or private matches. Didn't the new cod release with these things while having a very very similar amount of time to build the game?
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Bro what are you talking about? They screwed us pvp players on so many levels.
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2 RepliesI'll say it: If you do not practice in the crucible then you are a crappy guardian. Finish the main story, defeat the current threat, then keep your skills sharp in the crucible in preparation for the next one.
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Warfarm and Destiny are two different games, can't really compare them.
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8 RepliesCall me rude, but, Use -BLAM!-ING PARAGRAPHS!!! I want to read this. I really do, but the wall of text repels me. Please community, learn.
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Funnily enough I just redownloaded Warframe. If only it had Destiny's gunplay, I would never play another game, nor would I need to.
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14 RepliesI have been told by alot of people Warframe is like a cheap Destiny, that runs off P2P, doesnt sound to good to me but i could be wrong.
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Actually Warframe caters to both by using a system that allows you to use only certain weapons/"mods" in both PvE and PvP. By keeping them separate you cater to both and make both happy. That is what Bungie needs to learn from Digital Extreme (creators of Warframe).
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3 RepliesSentences and paragraphs are really important when you are trying to convey a message.
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ill be honest thats some of the worst pvp ive ever played and the fact the ive to play it because they articifially hinder me to gain powerlevel is even worse
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9 RepliesWarframe is also incredibly grindy. Like super grindy. To an almost annoying degree, on top of being poorly explained. I'm 100 hours in and I can't yell you what the game is about. Almost all knowledge I have of the game has been acquired from the wiki.
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3 RepliesYa, just make it pay to win like Warlame. Both games can go suck a &!€&.
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1 Replybut that is what gave D1 longevity, the pvp.
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I also think they should make larger maps with more sniping posts and such. I can’t snipe in Destiny 2 either I think a big part of it all are the maps. They need to make each map different with its own ledges and designs. It might make it less annoying to deal with weapons like.... let’s see the 100 O.P. Weapons that definitely need to be nerfed because PvP players like to think they’re good and by the way swords used to be hard to get as they were new releases. [spoiler]-Uriel’s gift -origin story - and many more!!![/spoiler]
