Edit: Please read the entire post before creating a reply. Thanks!
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I'm not butthurt, I don't suck at the Crucible (although I guarantee someone will look up my stats and try to tell me I do), I'm just telling it like it is.
It's a matter of time to kill. Shotguns have effectively 0 time to kill, while most other weapons require several seconds to finish a fight. This is theoretically balanced by the fact that you have to be close to your opponent, but nearly every map in Destiny is rather small with narrow corridors. Plus, you have plenty of abilities to assist you. Melee can be activated immediately after a shotgun shot to guarantee the kill. Felwinter's Lie can be re-rolled until it becomes a sniper. Sunsingers can abuse their melee overshield. Strikers have shoulder charge to assist their gunplay. Blink can teleport you right in front of someone (if you delay the button press you effectively teleport forward). A shotgun is strong enough to instantly end a bladedancer's super. I'm sure there's more, but that was just off the top of my head.
What about sniper rifles and fusion rifles, you ask?
Sniper Rifles
- Requires headshots or final round (which is only a OHK on high impact, low RoF snipers which are extremely high risk, high reward weapons) to kill instantly
- Has extreme amounts of flinch if shot, even with Unflinching
- Must be far away from your target, be using a low zoom sight, or get lucky
- Hip fire is awful and aiming down sights takes extra time
Fusion Rifles - stupid but not nearly as much as shotguns
- Requires timing and accuracy to be successful
- Will not kill instantly at range
Essentially, instant kills are meant to be high risk, high reward scenarios, but there is almost no risk when using a shotgun, as I've explained.
Remember to bump if you agree, otherwise feel free to prove me wrong.
Edit 1:
Added #Competitive tag
Edit 2:
Sure, shotguns are common in other games. But it's a power weapon in Halo, and in games like CoD other weapons have extremely low TTKs as well, so there's less of a discrepancy. My issue with them in Destiny is that in the same game you have weapons that kill in 0 seconds and weapons that kill in 3 or more seconds.
Edit 3:
Think of this as a request for bigger maps or nerfing secondary ammunition, if you wish.
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1 ReplyRunning up to foes.. is how the shotgun requires more time to deploy. That's it's major disadvantage. I don't agree.
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3 RepliesYou forgot the satire tag
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2 RepliesBump, the points in this are very valid
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11 Replies3 or more seconds??? Holy shit your aim must be trash
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1 ReplyWoah everyone's so salty. [spoiler]I see how many people use crucible shotguns now[/spoiler]
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1 Reply... You know, buckshot sucks. You'd think they would have solid slugs that have more range.
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3 RepliesAgree -- no way anybody would ever slide shoot it just looks stupid and makes no sense. it's like teabagging. it looks about the same. you can't slide shoot a sniper rifle and your field of vision is extremely reduced when using a sniper. it is stupid and makes no sense. run slide shoot, run slide shoot.... ruining crucible and IB. This is the worst IB so far, and it's not getting any better. Not to mention the drops are crap from the original release, but in order to play IB you have to be rank 20, so why not have new drops from the DLC. shotgunners look like stupid punk kids. period.
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2 Replies[quote]Strikers have shoulder charge to assist their gunplay[/quote] Have you ever used shoulder charge?
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10 RepliesEasy to counter, most people complaing about shotguns try to take them out by charging their opponent. My question is would you charge someone in real life with a shotgun or take them from a safe distance? Pvp in all games is about having the brains to pick your battles
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8 RepliesFor the last time: STAY OUT OF NARROW HALLWAYS WITH YOUR SUROS. Seriously man. Stop rushing in blindly trying to show everyone you're like Nic Cage in a John Woo movie. People who complain about shotguns are run and gunners who get shut down in close quarters. If you don't want to get shotty pwnd, PLAY YOUR DISTANCE. If I had an engram for every time I've gobbled up someone in a hallway who shot at me with a Scout Rifle, I'd be Cryptarch rank 400. Yeh cabbage! Yeh traysh!
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3 RepliesNot because of the time to kill ratio, do I agree with you; but shotguns don't belong in a futuristic game setting. Neither do ARs, Hand Cannons or any kinetic rounded weapon. I was under the impression that with jetpacks, and space ships, came energy weapons. Maybe I was lied to, too many times by Popular Science publications.
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Shotguns are a little primitive for being in the future
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3 RepliesShotguns belong in [i]all[/i] games: Mario with a shotgun, Link with a shotgun, Sonic with a shotgun, Ryu with a shotgun, Madden with shotguns...
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12 RepliesWith your reasoning, they should also take snipers away. I mean, they can one shot kill, and the dude can be all the way on the other side of the map! Hows that fair??? Stop posting dude, youre making a fool of yourself.
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Just wait..next he will say sniper rifles don't belong in destiny...then fusion...then all other guns. Idiot.
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TL;DR
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4 RepliesShotguns even at close range should take 2 shots to kill...period. Shotguns are just stupid the way they are in Destiny. People blind themselves by the following: "Did you know shotguns in real life will kill you one shot at close range?" Well, everyone knows that you smart ass! Here is your newsflash... -Did you know a hand cannon in real life will kill you one shot to the face? -Did you know that the same applies for auto rifles. -Did you know a sniper rifle will kill you one shot on your head or any part of your middle body. Yet snipers on destiny require two shots on the body...I call bullshit! A sniper shot should kill you one shot to the chest...period, yet it's not the case...only with final round...yea great (sarcasm). It's a video game and you need to understand is not real life situations, therefore shotguns should kill you 2 shots at close range and not 1 shot just like any other weapon on PvP. I hope Bungie really nerfs shotguns for real and for good. That way many will actually learn how to shoot. Either with a hand cannon, auto rifle, pulse rifle or any primary. Cause many just run around like non competitive cowards and jump, rush or blink shotgun during the whole match...what a joke. Call it what you want too...that I'm butt hurt or not cause it don't matter...you know deep inside my point it's true (well if you're an adult and have common sense that is)...
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They belong in this game as much as they belong in real life for hunting.
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I think the bigger issue is the amount of small maps and to add to that the removal of first light and bastion.
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Say that again when 3 minotaurs corner you, and your melee ability is on cooldown. Now you'll wish you have something for those up close moments.
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I like shotguns......for Pve . . . And pvp !
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2 Replies9 times out of 10 I kill with my The Last Word against a Guardian with a shotgun. I just jump backwards and unload on them or toss a grenade
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Bigger maps would solve this ;)
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Shotguns nerfed 3 times. Ergo, shut up, meg.
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All these people making of him must use shotguns in crucible.
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Every gun has counters, try preadyths revenge for a sniper it has crazy stability and can easily be used to hip fire. The Last word more often then not will kill me before I can get into range, even with felwinters. A fast firing fusion also can counter most shotties, pocket infinity or plan C often kill me before I can get within range. It honestly comes down to the weapons you are using.