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Edited by The Cellar Door: 11/18/2014 2:00:04 PM
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[FACT] The Big Bang did NOT create the universe.

[i]Were it so easy?[/i] So, last night I offered the flood a question. The point of asking this question was NOT to figure out if people believed in the Big Bang or not. This was an experiment to highlight a [b]misconception.[/b] Which it did excellently. [b]Did The Big Bang Create The Universe?[/b] Yes: 214 Votes | 62% | No: 133 Votes | 38% | Only 6 users actually knew the truth behind this, or at least only 6 commented it. The answer to my question, without any scientific doubt [u]whatsoever[/u], and without contradicting the Big Bang Theory, is [b]no.[/b] However, it is not the same "no" as many of the voters of that selection probably thought of when selecting the option. ______________________________________ The misconception is that The Big Bang theory attempts to explain the [i]creation[/i] of the Universe. [b]It does not.[/b] ______________________________________ The Big Bang explains how [i]the current state[/i] of our universe came to be. By understanding many factors, we can say that space is expanding. And for all intents and purposes, we can pretty much say the universe had a beginning. By using this expansion of space, we can basically back track in time, and end at a wall where we cannot go further back due to our laws of physics. At this point, everything in the universe existed as an infinitesimally small, infinitely dense singularity point that held all the matter and energy in the universe today. As if we were to "press play" on a DVD, this singularity point is expanding as soon as we can measure time, and has continued since. Every particle and force in physics can be explained from the Big Bang Theory, and the process of baryosynthesis, which occurs because of the expansion of the singularity point. All time and distance, can be explained by the Big Bang. However, the Big Bang DID NOT CREATE ANYTHING. To recap/TL;DR: [b]The Big Bang theory falls victim to common misunderstanding. The Big Bang is not a crazy event that created the universe. It's [i]still happening now[/i]. The Big Bang theory explains the universe as it is today, due to the expansion of space. It does not reconcile for the creation of matter or energy. It merely explains what happened to it. Creationist need not be up in arms against it, and anti-creationists need not think that it does anything to disprove creationism, save for literal readings of certain religious texts.[/b] Whether you believe it or not, is a bit of a fallacy. It does not matter if [i]you[/i] don't believe it, it [i]is[/i] valid until proven false. If you believe that it's validity is contradicted by the fact that it is a scientific theory, find out what a [i]scientific theory[/i] is. The Big Bang does not contradict God creating the universe, and was actually theorized by a Christian priest. Stop making this misconception. GG. [u]Some highlights from the thread:[/u] [spoiler] [b]Good try m8's:[/b] [quote]I'm gonna do it for you; [b][i]Screw you, creationist morons.[/i][/b][/quote] [quote]No, it was a big floaty wizard man with a beard and magic stuff. Jeez, some people are just stupid.[/quote] [quote]Because I don't believe in fairy tales[/quote] [b]Posts that made me chuckle:[/b] [quote]But the universe existed before TV[/quote] [quote]I feel like Michael Bay created the Big Bang Theory. "How do you think the Universe was created Mr. Bay?" Michael Bay:"An Explosion!"[/quote] [quote]Aliens[/quote] [quote]Me banging your mom did[/quote] [quote]Some branes got to bangin'.[/quote] Honorable Mention: Jaden Smith [quote]What if God was the big bang[/quote] [/spoiler]

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  • Yes, but there is no true creation of this dimension, as it is a loop of expand and collapse. But how did the loop begin? I don't think we will ever know

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      TS:DR

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      • So you're basically just nitpicking to a large extent, nice.

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        • Edited by Griffensaber: 11/19/2014 8:58:28 AM
          Its funny how many people actually voted yes on this poll, I remember when I read about the big bang theory for the first time, the first question I asked was "where did the singularity come from?" Of course, there was no internet where I lived and it was not like it is now and my parents and siblings admitted they didn't know. It drove me crazy for ages, cause what bothered me was not so much the existence of an expanding spacetime, it was the first time I thought about the universe as a thing that could be created. Thinking about a created universe was a terrifying concept, a point when the universe didn't exist, pure nothingness. I had already encountered the concept that "something cannot come from nothing", which created a paradox; if before the universe there was nothing and something never comes from nothing, then the universe could never have come into existence. But since I existed then the universe must exist, cause self is not nothing therefore it's something. Eventually, I realised one of the following must be true; 1. Either something can come from nothing. Or 2. The universe was never created, it always was. Your right about the big bang not being the creation of the universe, but the idea that the universe may even have a first cause maybe wrong. For those saying of course the universe was created, I have found that a common distortion applied to ideas is the humanisation of concepts. That is applying ideas to things which are derived purely from human concepts, in paricular, the mortality concept. That is because humans are mortal, we have a time that we cannot recall before we existed, then we have a time when we do exist, then we have a time when we don't exist. The transition from the first state to the middle state, we call beginning and the transition from the middle to last state is considered the end. And these two transitions humans apply to everything. Even though mortality is a quality of life, we apply it to inanimate objects all the time, but for that to be true the universe would be mortal. So ask this question since the fundamental items of the universe is matter, energy and space, can they be destroyed? If you cannot destroy them then they would never be able to end, which would mean they are not 'mortal'. Which would suggest an 'immortal' universe which has neither beginning nor end.

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          • Praise the sun?

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          • We are part of the spiral race. And must prepare to take out the anti spirals!!

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          • I know right? Everyone knows that The Flying Spaghetti Monster created all that is, and it constantly embraces us with its noodly appendages.

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            • Edited by SkilPhil: 11/19/2014 11:40:08 AM
              'The Big Bang' is the most recent chapter in the book known as 'The Universe'. Be warned though - do not try to read previous chapters, it is in a language you cannot comprehend....[see image.1]

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              • You're right, the Mormons did

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              • ALMIGHTY TALOS CREATED ALL.

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              • We are Legion.

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              • Nuh uh Jezus Creist Mi lawrd en savor creeatet da yunivers en if u saye no 2 mi u r dum.

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                • So did anyone actually read this guys explanation? Or was I the only one? :x

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                  • Edited by CidxLucy: 11/19/2014 3:21:24 AM
                    Didn't they say they can go back to like a million (I can't recall the exact time) of a second before are Big Bang but cant go back to the exact moment of creation. what is your opinion on the end of our universe? the big freeze or the Big Crunch or would things start expanding so fast that everything including atoms themself will will rip apart? They are saying the expansion of space is not slowing down in a matter of fact it's speeding up.

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                    • Like ummmmmm yeah reading this you are basically splitting hairs The big bang was a serious of events that lead to the expansion of the universe the universe expanded extremely quickly at the beginning and has now slowed and is slowing as it ever expands Yes you are right in stating this but you are basically splitting hears

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                      • My blam created the universe

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                      • Pics or it didn't happen

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                      • Dont start this answer [spoiler]god created universe - every christian[/spoiler]

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                        • His ways are not our ways. His thoughts higher than our thoughts. How can a watch comprehend a watchmaker? We are flawed therefore our views flawed. He must exist outside our man made institutions. All these theory's upon theory's and the counter arguments. It's maddening did you stop and think we will never know the answers to the simplest questions?

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                          • Holographic Principle ftw

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                            • Nope, it is the current starting point for our timeline of the universe.

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                              • Edited by MANGO: 11/18/2014 4:45:32 PM
                                Interesting :D

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                              • Creasonists are funny. They believe in the most absurd bullshit ever and deny most plausible scenarios. Im not saying that the big bang actually created the univers but im not saying that it didnt create it either. I strongly advise you to watch the debate betweent Bill Nye and Ken Ham on youtube ( just type bill nye ken ham debate) - 92% of viewers voted Bill Nye "won" the debate (half a million viewers live )

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                                • Well it created the space the universe occupies and the material used to make the universe. So by using the transitive property in math you could technically say the Big Bang created the universe. Also if you believe in the multiverse theory you believe there is a universe in which the Big Bang did create the entire universe.

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                                  • *the Big Bang Theory does not explain how the universe 'came into being', only how it got from being very small to very large, therefore claiming it does explain how the universe 'came into being' is wrong. FTFY

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                                    • A TL;DR for folks: [quote]Semantics.[/quote]

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