--updated 12/6-- in a post below. [b]WARNING, THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE WALKTHROUGH/THREAD PELASE GO HERE ->[/b] http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/77770567/0/0/1 [b]TO SEE THE REST[/b] whats up everyone, day 5 or 6 now. Im not sure, time is not relative to me as. kinda have chronophobia and hell maybe thats why this interests me so much. I'm going to attempt to reorg all the info so that it acts as a walkthrough with things you could attempt that may yield what we are looking for. I see a lot of posts asking for vids. We do stream but no vids yet because we are tracking down leads from the community but our performance in game isint always the best. Several groups have taken it upon themselves to look too. We are very excited and hopeful overall we guardians will find something. ------------------- [b]original theory::[/b] -kabr the titan went into the vog with his raid team. The creator of the "super good advice" witnessed his "fall" and it drove him insane so he created the gun to 1 keep him company and 2 keep him tied to this world. As long as everyone percieves the existance of the gun he made and he has it the oracles wouldnt be able to blink him from existence. This was suspect but even an entire raid team with the gun equipped can still succumb to oracles. Following the lore further, kabr fashions the shield out of a gorgons head and uses whats left of his light to power it. We thought maybe, be it anything from a cutscene to something similar to the loot cave might still be left to find in the VoG that would allow us to talk to Kabr one last time. In his grimoire he says "If i speak again, i am not kabr" suggesting he may speak to some version of him again be it his darkness self, soul, light, spirit, w/e. His grimoire further states "but somehow they didn't kill him" and goes on to talk about he furnished armor and weapon from vex bodies. The weapon would be the mythoclast. "they have taken my ghost" confirming the ghost found outside the vault isint his. "They are in my blood and brain" suggesting he was taken over. Made into a dark guardian. Very much alive. Following Kabrs grimoire and that of the VoG points out to a path used by Athena (something like that i dont have the grimoire card) and she "thread" a path back out of the vault of glass. The word "thread" being used is important because Atheons will is the "needle" per grimoire and (i forget who was talking) says "i dont not know the shape that comes after" so we spent a lot of time inside the atheon throne room looking for shapes. We also tried the mythclast scope, which theoretically is a Vex eyeball and the pocket infinity which has a star shape reticle. The exotic bounty weapons all come from the team who originally enetered the VoG. So we thought maybe having some of these weapon equipped like we tried with "super good advice" and the oracles still killed us. Mythology and Destiny's grimoire are incredibly identical however. No where are they more identical than when it comes down to the gorgons. They are typically skipped or not done without being seen or done without starting from the beginning it is very rare that an entire team will pass through undetected from the start of the spire all in one go. I also think its very possible that the original raid team from testing, the one that spent an absurd amount of time on the raid and never completed it, were actually looking for the same thing that we are. GT: [b]oh ver driive[/b] xb1 [b]::Dev quotes::[/b] -What was you guys' thinking in leaving just about everything unexplained? "The raid really is about a couple of things at the core. It's about a sense of discovery, whether it's discovering a new environment or discovering how to tackle the problems that you're about to encounter with your teammates. And when you think about what you want to explain, if you want the player on a journey of discover, well, we didn't want to explain much to them at all." [b]Part of the fun, in fact most of the fun, is figuring it out on your own[/b]." -----Article link -> here -> http://tmi.kotaku.com/q-a-the-lead-designer-of-destinys-vault-of-glass-1647227058 OFFICIAL:: killing Atheon is the end of the raid ... (-.-;)p -> http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-help-I-finished-the-Raid-and-the-boss-didnt/en/Help/Article/12167 "The rewards for killing Atheon and completing the Vault of Glass are awarded when he dies" Well that certainly debunks a lot of theories. I still think there could be something in the gorgon maze but with this new info i must say i feel i hit a wall. I am going to stream tonight and attempt the new chest location. Info above. Regarding the first team to complete the raid "1st" and the "tighter knot" -Chronic Draaven (b.net) As Watts said. "The truest form of the Raid awaits. For the first to finish it, there are even more meaningful rewards. Nothing can undo PRIMEGUARD’s accomplishment in completing the opening act first, but Bungie is still watching to see who can unravel the tighter knot." [b]:::the big question::: is this a troll??::[/b] -yes and no. If anyone is being trolled here. It is me. I am absolutely committed to this information and while i admit i jumped the gun my first stream night. I was just as excited to figure some of this out as many of you are. I'm not perfect, ive done my best to give credit where credit is do. Bear in mind. I cant defend myself 24 hours a day. My head feels like its gonna explode from everything im trying to piece together. So there you have and that is the honest answer. I'm choosing to believe in what im looking for. This will be a process. The fact is we are missing something. My biggest fear is you all will stop looking. Please don't let me take away from the possibility that destiny might have a handful of secrets left for us. All goals, unknown goals, and "busted myths" will be posted with their respectable sections. Unknown goals are listed and believed to have possibilities because of lore or because clearing sections with 0 fxck up count yields a chest like from the Templar by not letting him teleport. It would be unreasonable to believe this is the only time this takes place in the vault. [b]::the spire::[/b] -spawning into the spire, you see a group of vex vanish from infront of the dead portal. This dead gate is one of two you see. The second being on a platform before atheon/gatekeeper entrance and after/going down jumping puzzle. known goals - dont let vex control a single sync plate result - unknown unknown possibilities - let all plates be controlled by vex, can they open thier own gate below? Regardless if the vex control 1 plate or none the lights leading up to the Templars Well remain the same. Tested by doing 1 right after the other. ------------------------ [b]Kabrs trials[/b] - is a walk way through the spire door that leads down to the ::first chest:: which is rumored to be skippable and when doing so may trigger a ::chest:: inside the Templars Well. The passage way itself doesnt seem to hold any additional secret passages. ------------------------- [b]The Templars Well[/b] - first off, this area is way to BIG and way to SECRET on top of being way to POLISHED to act only as an additional walk way to The Templar area. Those who have explored it for hours have found nothing. The only question now is did they explore it at the right time or with the right circumstances? Following this path brings you to what is reffered to as a second entrance to The Templar. Essentially you end up on some rocks just west of the normal platform you would stand on before jumping down. The entrance to the well can be done 1 of 2 ways. One way found here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nIMj6mX6MM skip to about 3:25 ----------------------------- ![b]The Templars Room[/b]! -here we come up against 3 battles. Inside this room we have only found 2 entrances out. The wall leading to the bloom chest and the obvious giant gate that opens behind the templar after defeating him. If you climb up, over and behind the very center of where the gatekeeper sits before his battle you can drop down to an area where a glitch of the templars relic appears. Pulling it removes the one for the templar and we have no found a way out yet though one is rumored. [b]The battles~~[/b] [u]Defend the Confluxes![/u] -known goals: dont allow any vex to sacrfice. This is difficult and doable. It can take several tries however because soemtimes the vex can warp from extreme distances, past you and end up behind the farthest conflux. Which is bullshxt btw and this should be fixed. -results: unknown