(EDIT 0) Random spawn means random teleportation on atheon boss!! making team strategy impossible if not lucky! WORLD OF WARCRAFT raids are more logical more fun and actually have a fair loot system! all these patches suppose to balance game? nope it just gives older players a huge advantage on new ones! well i have done VOG 24x on hard on 2 accounts! 14x beginning to end! each time taking around 10+ hours rest just jumping in or atheon push offs! rewards gained? ships/sparrows/helms/worthless shit! have over 400+ shards and energy on both accounts combined! complete garbage. No vex? most my friend who did it one to 3 times who never did from beginning to end? well they got vex guns and appropriate stat helms? why do raid? for vex! why spam raid 6x a week from beginning to end on hard? for vex? what dose most people get? trash what have i got that profits in any way what so ever? not a damn thing! after 300+ hours what have i got that profits me in anyway? not a dam thing! in WoW what would 300+ hours get me? a f king shit load of something worth something!! alowys being worth something!! is VOG Doable with full team of lvl 30s? yes! is it doable for 80% of people? no reasons? mobs alowys heal if someone lags! oracles spawn to fast for 40% of people and they heal?! now random talyportations? at most 2-3 people can handle the shield extremely well! wont get them anywhere if Minotaur heals! you will alowys die!!! =80%+ cannot do on hard anymore all that time wasted getting up to atheon from beginning? wasted! partys break up to no end! im not raging a bought atheon being pushed of i don't care! but advantages over players? rofl you guys are stupid! all your patchs you have done since you have started has only increased the advantage to older players! your stupidity as developers for an rpg type game ****, very unintelligent developers! go ask WoW or something for advice fking dumb zzz.e. your game is trash! i'm going back to final fantasy on ps3 monthly subscription is more worth then your shitty game cant wait for DAA and the rpg ap to come out next month ****EDIT 1 For English Americans**** if you cannot understand it then there is no hope for you rofl! it states a lot of thing if you have good identifying skills and knowledge of cultures! but if your just american! hmm it states that all updates they have made thus far! have only given an advantage to older players! Also the loot reward system is obviously trash, if you don't get anything after 24x hard mode runs except trash! consistently more of them being full from beginning to end hard mode runs! And that new new update for random talyportation is also complete trash and ads an even biger advantage to old players! and players with great internet! compared to the 80% majority with semi decent net! and the also cause of thee crappy hosted servers! thus healing mobs you fight and oracles you attack! stated! i am meaning for those 80% with semi ok internet rofl! mines fine i do great but others nets and the server is trash!