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8/27/2013 10:20:49 AM
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If Religion did not exist, would humans be more advanced?
I can't help but think this when I look at books like Euclid's Elements and then compare it to the dark ages.
We were on the fast track to good things, then -blam!-ing everything went down the shitter for a couple hundred years.
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8 RepliesWithout religion we would be less advanced. And before you start screaming "lol dark ages", read the rest of my post, and THINK about. Back before the dark ages, scientists were driven by religion. Church money was used to fund scientific studies. The reason that the church invested(and still invests) in science? Because even religious people(Christians at least) want to know the truth. And the truth is, we can never know for sure if there is a god or not. Anyone who claims they KNOW for a fact either way is lying to you. And in this regard, Atheism is a faith based religion. They THINK that there is no God, but they preach it as fact. Any Atheist who says that science has disproven god, or that it is even possible for science to disprove god, is lying to you. Any theist who tells you science can prove God's existence is also lying to you. The reason being? God is a supernatural being, science only deals within nature, God is above nature. Now back to the subject of of why religion advances science, since religion jump-started science, it made modern science possible. Would we have a Boeing 747 if nobody invented the first airplane? So if there was no church funded science at the beginning, modern science wouldn't be nearly as far as it is now, because it would have never gotten started.
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6 RepliesEdited by MajorCrabs: 8/28/2013 11:12:54 PM[quote]Onion Beetle take that rhino dick out of your mouth, I can't understand you.[/quote] I think this deserves a post of its own rather than a reply. If you didnt want an answer than dont ask a question. Stop being a man child and grow up.
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My vote goes to no. Islam was a massive player in mathematics, astronomy and navigation during the Middle Ages while primarily Christian authorities were the ones who set up Universities in the preservation of knowledge in the face of barbarian and foreign threats. The Middle Ages was a time of incredibly great progression in science, agriculture and engineering - without such progress, the Renaissance and thus the Industrial revolution would have been postponed. At least in my opinion.
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1 ReplyCollege, philosophy, the Renaissance, and the Enlightenment wouldn't have existed.
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1 ReplyI always find this question to be funny. It is basically thinking upon the what if questions we all have. We can only imagine how our world would have played out if another sperm invaded hitlers mothers egg, or if Japan invested more time and resources into their nuclear program how retalitation would have affected America. The point is that it can be fun to think about what ifs but sitting here and stewing about it and spinning it negetivly isnt helpful and IMO quite childish. Also trying to make a what if into fact is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen. The fact is we dont know how the world would have evloved without religion wether it be negative or positive.
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1 ReplyActually, I don't think we would be as advanced. Competing religions fuelled wars, which drove technological advancement -> leading us to develop more things. This is obviously just one of the reasons why, I'm sure the societal advantages and rules laid down by religion brought order which also allowed progress. Since the smartest humans were no longer in fear of being robbed/murdered since that was taught to be bad. Obviously morals existed before then but Religions of any form, not just Christianity and Islam implemented it well for a great deal more people.
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5 RepliesIt's a myth that the Dark Ages were a time of religious restriction on scientific development. Look at Wikipedia sometime why don't you?
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7 RepliesNot likely as Christianity has advanced, science, culture,art, and medicine more than any other group in existence.
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2 RepliesEdited by Orion: 8/27/2013 11:55:38 AMTo have humans exist and not have religion is impossible. There will always be that one guy that looks to the sky and asks "Why?". And to be fair, we haven't made it very far in that school of thought. Also, we weren't exactly on the fast track to begin with. Or at least the world collectively wasn't. There were certain civilizations that sprung up (Greece, Rome, etc.) that were definitely doing things right, but no other civilization could keep them from falling. And while these empires were on their way down, the empires in the east were actually in their own golden age until a certain series of events dragged them down eventually. The "Dark Ages" really only happened in our eyes because there wasn't much about it written as there is for the ages after it. It was only the invention of the printing press that propelled us forward. Also I think you should read [url=http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes.html]this[/url]. It really provides clarification as to what the Dark Ages really were, and debunks popular myths commonly associated with it. Yes, it is a comedy site, but everything is supported.
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10 Repliesreligion had nothing to do with everything going down the shitter
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I personally do not think we would be more advanced. Religion brought huge amounts of people together to work towards a single goal. Whether that goal was morally good or bad is irrelevant because it still brought advancement to the human race. It's easier to convince people to do things and build things if you tell them that's what god wants you to do.
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Yes we would be much better off without hope and good morals...
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Quite possible
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1 ReplyYes. The Dark Ages would have been a great time for science to progress. Could you imagine them making the first computer back in like, the 1800's? God we'd have such great shit right now.
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1 ReplyThe difference to the past and now is that "religion" changed his name to "sience". We all believe in sience cause it is the nearest to the truth. And we all are looking for the truth
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1 ReplyI doubt it. I don't think religion breeds stupidity. I just think stupid people happen to flock to religion because they don't want to think for themselves. Perfectly rational people can be religious and have their own reasons to do so just like complete idiots can be atheists.
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3 RepliesAt the risk of offending many of you, I say that had there been no religion, that yes, we would likely be more scientifically advanced. Many religious institutions (I'm looking at you Catholic Church) have persecuted men of science with pain and death for speaking scientific truth, which was labelled as heresy. Medicine would be so much further along had autopsies been possible before the turn of the 19th century. Before then, only the horrifically injured gave any indication to the body's internal workings.
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Nope. There'd be a lot more crime.
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1 ReplyReligion is like imaginary friends of children. It is a necessary part of growing up, somewhere in between helping you find yourself and being an emotional crutch. Like the imaginary friend of a child, religion is something society needs to grow out of.
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7 RepliesForgot to say that we practically owe algebra to Spanish Muslims during the Middle Ages.
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1 ReplyI don't know, ask the communists.
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You could argue that religion is the reason why we made so many architectural advancements (See pyramids) as early as we did. I don't know if we would have started improving technologically and scientifically as early, but I think we would have progressed at a faster rate than we have with the existence of religion.
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No, but we would be more advanced if we didn't place so much importance on faith of any kind and simply accepted it as a fact of life. Then people wouldn't be wasting time and resources on discriminating on those who don't believe in gods or vice versa.
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14 RepliesIf it weren't for great spiritual leaders such as Jesus, we'd probably still be worshipping Kings & Queens like the UK or N. Korea. Religion ultimately put God as the ultimate authority instead of man, thus freeing humanity from the shackles of totalitarian civilizations such as ancient Rome & Babylon. Also, faith and virtue that derive from religion fundamentally has kept societies from disintegrating from within.
