So I'm check my grades from my last semester and it said GD (Grade Delayed). A few days go by and I end up getting an email from my Engineering Professor saying that I cheated on my last homework assignment. Not the midterm or the final or the big project, no just a small homework assignment.
Looking back I didn't cheat. I'm a mechanical engineering major and I think some people on this forum can back me up when I say that the homework/problems can get tough to solve at times. So I always work with my friends and we try to get some of it done.
I'm just really ticked off because I've been doing superb in this class and then this comes along to ruing my grade. I've done far above the average on both midterms and have been doing well on the quizzes and past homeworks.
I have to reply to this email either stating that: I admit I cheated or that I deny cheating which then go to the Student Affairs for judgement.
If I plead guilty my final grade goes down one letter grade. If I deny then I risk failing the course completely.
Oh I forgot to mention that my professor also happens to the President/Chair of the engineering department so thats who id be arguing against.
What do you guys think about my current situation?
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Edited by Snake Plissken: 3/29/2013 10:32:41 PMIn your situation, I would simply ask him where his evidence is. Edit:[quote] • Although students are encouraged to work with a study group, work submitted by a student for credit must represent that student’s individual effort and his or her own work.[/quote] If this is from syllabus, and you haven't made any lies of omission in your posts, then you probably have nothing to worry about if you argue your case well.
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Dress like a christmas present, with a bow as a quick way to get naked. Show up to his office dressed thus, and ask if there is a special position that would allow you to get a higher grade.
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How the hell did you end up in this situation?
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Go to your prof and ask him why he thinks you cheated, if its collaboration say you were under the impression that working together on homework was permissible, and it was a misunderstanding and you would be happy to rectify it.
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The truth shall set you free.
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Yeah don't listen to what dazarobbo says. That 'tard speaks so much bullshit that its just unbelievable.
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This is what needs to be done with our school system.
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19 RepliesI would suggest what others have already suggested. Firstly, disregard anything dazarobbo says. If you're looking for logic, you won't find it there. Secondly, find out exactly what your teacher thinks you did and calmly discuss it with him.
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Lawyer up. That'll shut them up real quick.
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I would deny it. I would rather keep my integrity and risk being judged than to admit to something which I am not guilty of.
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1 ReplyIf you didn't cheat then you have nothing to worry about.
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7 RepliesHave you made your decision yet? Were you able to contact someone from what you said earlier it seemed the professor was avoiding you were you able to reach him?
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2 RepliesIs it independent work you're supposed to be doing? Because if it is, you're guilty.
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If they consider working with your friends cheating, then you should plead guilty man.
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Did your friends you were working with get accused of cheating? If they did, it could be because you worked together. Otherwise deny it and fight it. If you know you worked hard for your grades than why should a false accusation ruin your future?
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If I were you, I'd fight it. Thats not cheating. And if it is, Well I guess I cheated my way through college. Its just a stupid homework assignment. Fight it.
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3 RepliesI've read through a lot of the other replies and conversations, so I have a pretty good idea of what's going on here. First off, don't listen to dazarobbo; working with other students is not immediately collusion. Collegiate students are more than welcome to use resources to [i]assist[/i] them in their work, such as researching how to perform a problem, and this can be with peers. You run into trouble when your answers are not your own, such as if you had pulled them from your peers' work. If you sat down with your peer and you both worked to figure out [b]how[/b] to solve a problem - which, as a recent Electrical Engineering grad, I [i]entirely[/i] understand - then I believe you should talk to the professor and explain your case; explain how you and your friend's answers are each your own and your only interaction was assisting each other in being sure you approached the problem the correct way. Before you do that, though, get more information from the professor. You should make this as personal as possible, as the "Student Ethics Board" is only going to see a piece of paper that says you and a friend cheated, and that does not bode well for you. Have the professor tell you, in his own words, what he believed happened and work to argue just that point. You can end up digging yourself deeper if you get upset with him or show too much of your hand. Information is power, in this case, and the more you have on the situation the better chance you will have. Go to the academics office that would handle these issues and inquire on the matter. Do not waste their time trying to prove your innocence or trash talking your professor; that would only hurt you. Instead, ask them what kind of actions wold constitute "[i]Fraud, deceit, or dishonesty in an academic assignment, or using or attempting to use materials, or assisting others in using materials that are prohibited or inappropriate in the context of the academic assignment in question.[/i]" With that, you can start making your case to the professor on how your behavior with your homework does constitute fraud or cheating. The important thing is to keep calm and not to pick fights. Your professor is just trying to do his job and you just happen to get caught up in all this. Maintaining a level head and strongly avoiding yelling, threats, or anything on the lines of "OMG, this is so stupid! I didn't cheat you're just being a giant ass!" is only going to make him laugh and make sure you get the full length of the academic conduct dildo.
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Edited by Funkbrotha10: 3/29/2013 3:45:44 PMTell him to go and fuck himself. and then drop the class.
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Just ask him straight out, "On what do you accuse me of cheating?". And if you are allowed to work with friends, just say we helped each other out. Also, its homework, not an exam. Why is this guy so serious? Your President sounds like a dickhead.
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8 RepliesHow do they actually prove that you're guilty in these situations.
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i'd admit to cheating. it's only 1 grade and if you can't prove you didn't cheat then you risk failing completely.
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>I didn't cheat >I collaborated with friends on what was supposed to be an individual assignment. "Cheating" is not just hiding a note and bringing it to an exam or looking at your neighbor's sheet. I don't know the specifics here, but it sounded like you and your friends got a little too sharing with each other. You all probably submitted something very similar that shows you've been teaming up, which is punishable as cheating. Inform yourself better first. Look at your Uni's and faculty's code of conduct and see what the exact rules on this are and ask the professor what exactly you're being accused of. If there's even a slight hint in the rules of collaboration being banned (which it almost definitely will be), then confess to cheating and take this hit rather than failing the course.
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6 RepliesIt's called collusion (illegal collaboration). All universities specifically prohibit it. You're getting what you deserve in my opinion, and quite frankly you're lucky you haven't been fined or suspended/ejected from your course... yet. Universities are no place for cheaters.
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Ok I read everything you wrote now and there are a few things you have to do. 1. Have your professor tell you exactly why you are being accused of cheating, say you cannot make an accurate decision based on no evidence. (You may have to throw your friend under the bus man he may have actually cheated, an option I dont know youve considered) 2. State that you collaborated with the student to discover how to attack each problem but then went your separate ways in solving it 3. Say the syllabus encourages work study partnerships and if that is not encouraged that should have been specifically mentioned by the professor for this assignment. Cant lose that way man
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6 RepliesFrom the Syllabus it self!!! • Although students are encouraged to work with a study group, work submitted by a student for credit must represent that student’s individual effort and his or her own work.
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1 ReplyEdited by VerticalGradient: 3/29/2013 7:26:09 AMAre you allowed to respond with, "[url=http://conduct.ucr.edu/LEARNPOLICIES/Pages/AcademicIntegrity.aspx]Under UCR's Academic Integrity Policy and Procedures[/url], I am not guilty of Cheating, as there was no fraud, deceit, dishonesty, or inappropriate use of materials pertaining to the academic assignment in question. This situation would more aptly be attributed to the University's policy of 'Unauthorized Collaboration'. So kindly get your -blam!-ing facts straight you pretentious, dimwitted cocksucker of a douche-bag. - Regards, ME - 10 " ? Suppose that you were to mention this discrepancy, I'd also recommend questioning whether your professor [b]explicitly forbade[/b] you students to collaborate on this assignment, or not. And while someone might argue that even if your professor did [b]not[/b] explicitly forbid you from collaboration, then that doesn't actually give you [b]permission[/b] to collaborate with another student, it is still 1) ridiculously poor protocol by your professor for not making his/her intentions clear, and 2) Collaboration and [b]Initiative[/b] ((a.k.a not sucking your thumb like a -blam!-ing dumbass because you can't figure something out)) SHOULD be encouraged, as team-work and synergy is an EXTREMELY beneficial attribute in a human being, and most ESPECIALLY for a civil engineer. *** better to ask for forgiveness than permission . . .( like performing a life-saving emergency medical procedure?)