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9/10/2023 2:16:03 PM
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Grimoire is not engaging story
I'm sure this is too little too late, but it needs to be said. Destiny 2 felt like it started off much stronger than Destiny 1 in terms of story delivery and somehow things have slowly slipped back into the old state of the majority of story being delivered via grimoire cards that I'm sure less than 20% of the playerbase even reads.
This is precisely what people did not like in D1 why has this become the norm again? I get it that it's cheaper to right a bunch of cards than do small cutscene, make a quest, or put some dialogue in the game. But it comes across as the actual bare minimum effort to flesh out the story, and it is not engaging at all.
Their presence would be fine if they were just like a bonus and the player could learn most things without them, but having completed lightfall, let me tell you from playing: I had no idea where the Shadow Legion came from, no idea what their goals were (not Calus), I didn't understand why there was a physical city for digital people, didn't know what the cloud ark was other than the crap line I got from that dimwit Nimbus, nor did I understand what the rest of the Vanguard was so busy with that they couldn't send anyone else to deal with Calus.
Duality had a bunch of (hidden) audio logs, and those were considerably more engaging and enlightening. I would recommend that method of story delivery to grimoire in the future. Tell me or show me the story, if I want to read it I'll look it up on the wiki. If you want to write a book, then commit to that and right a novel.
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1 ReplyI know, imagine having to read in 2023 I am a visual/audio learner , reading is boring
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2 RepliesActually I’d say it’s gotten a lot better at delivering story in the actual activities and dialogue rather than lore entries. The issue for the past two seasons and Lightfall is that there just wasn’t much story at all. The lore wasn’t much better than the narrative at hand. Defiance was a joke. Deep was like Haunted, minimal plot development with more focus on character. Meanwhile in Witch players are learning about the Sword Logic, gaining Insight on Xivu Arath, seeing how the Vanguard treat Eris and her methods with distrust in spite of her numerous victories. The trust Drifter and Eris place in each other. Before none of that would’ve been included. Hell, if it was D2 Vanilla Eris would probably be comic relief.
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Lightfall was just in general terribly written. Critical plot devices such as the Radial Mast and the Veil were not really explained. I understand the idea that they are unknown to us, and the Veil containment did provide some insight on the latter, but ultimately I am still not convinced that the Lightfall we got was the same one that was shown in the DLC roadmap circa 2020. I believe this because the art style used was demonstrably different than the cyberpunk esque theme it ended up with, and Root of Nightmares being rumored to originally be a dungeon would make sense to me given its laughable difficulty. Just spitballing, though.
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it is engaging tho.. i constantly have to go in there to get rid of the notifications
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4 RepliesImagine sitting down to play a looter shooter, then spend most of the time reading lore cards. I'd really like to know who these people are.
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1 Replyi can not leave orbit, whenever i try the game colse itself alone, i need some help PLEASE
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1 ReplyIn my opinion, both can coexist but I think it depends on balance. I see nothing wrong with lore books that give more context or detail about in-game events. Lore books also offer writers opportunities to write about stories or characters that aren’t a part of the main story and expand the universe. That being said, I agree with what you said in your second paragraph: (as well as most of your post too) [quote]Their presence would be fine if they were just like a bonus and the player could learn most things without them,[/quote] I only recently started getting back into Destiny this season, so I have no Idea what a few of the seasons before this one were about, or what Lightfall was really about so…yeah. also on the topic of how story is handled in D2, I also think it depends on presentation, I'd rather actually be standing in front of the character giving me dialogue instead of a hologram…idk that's probably just me lmao, although it isn't really a big deal tbh, as long as I can understand the information being presented :) Best wishes - The Patroller
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There’s supposed to be a story?
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Grimoire cards are antiquated, outdated and lazy methods of filling out the story. The cheap 2d shader cutscenes should be the minimum for filling in the story, and available on demand in an extras gallery. Each season should start with a recap of whats happened previously in the destiny story in a cutscene, or at the least a la starwars wall of text. Why not have ghost do a recap.
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3 RepliesGrimoire or lore books weren't the problem in Lightfall. The issue was that the main game didn't give us any story to go off of. Lore books have been a thing since D1. The Witch Queen had them, but you didn't need them to understand what was going on. Lightfall was a half-baked fuller expansion because they wanted another year before the grand finale. All the marketing pointed towards lightfall being the end until they announced the final shape pretty late into it.
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1 ReplyStory should be experienced through activities and such, not reading a wall of text
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11 RepliesByf has over a million subscribers for a reason lol. Much easier to let him sift through all that stuff and let us know what’s important.
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2 RepliesAt least they added the lore in the actual game unlike the first game where you needed the app to read them in which hardly nobody did after angry joe pointed it out in his review wayback in 2014 and where other mmo games did it better by including it in their titles without an app to read them even I ranted on about it on the forums for months on end until lore channels were popping up back then in my book Byf earned his million of subscribers due to working very hard for them the same way I watched Mesa Sean for his weekly arm’s day videos and Kakis did his series on fan exotics and lastly Esoteric for his nightfall video guides.
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1 ReplyI rarely read the lore. To be honest the in-game plots are so limp I doubt I'd notice if the writing team took a long hiatus. All I know is Bart Simpson joined the Sith apparently and we have to stop him/her/it
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if the app actually let you read the new pages. It's the reverse of the grimoire card issue, you can only read the new ones in-game.
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1 ReplyThe problem with Lightfall's lore wasn't that Bungie threw it all in lore pages, it was that it simply didn't exist. I would know, as I actually read the lore.
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7 RepliesEdited by Sunburn Seastar: 9/10/2023 4:37:05 PMTo be fair nobody had any idea what was going on in lightfall not even the lore experts. as for the shadow legion their story was geared up for in Haunted, if the patrols were done on the leviathan and did the patrol missions while there, you’d found out that the shadow legion is mostly composed of clones that are designed to be obedient puppets and then some factions of dissident cabal. They have no stakes other then there purpose of serving Calus and now the witness.
